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mircea_popescu: that comes to... brace yourselves... 250 bucks a year per capita.
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mircea_popescu: punkman hey how does one download the bundle db ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've heard it's common practice to buy 'qualified' goods and sell on ebay for usd
asciilifeform: but in reality, the place is a miniature r&d laboratory for usg bezzlatronics.
mircea_popescu: the only innovation there is refusing to take them in exchange for the only thing they used to be good for.
mircea_popescu: then REFUSED to take the same in exchange for tax receipts ?
mircea_popescu: you can't sell them to a guy down the street
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tax receipts mostly.
asciilifeform: what're they redeemable for? veggies at neighbouring tables?
decimation: no ascii that's EBT
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, they're not.
decimation: that fellow who lived under a stump or whatever might claim to be somewhat independent, but really he's just taking advantage of usg's lack landlordship
asciilifeform: (it blew my mind the other week when i noticed that these were being paid, by many folks in the crowd, with... something quite like actual monopoly money. issued by the state, it turned out, 'vegetable food stamps.' presumably these are redeemable for usd in some dark cellar at city hall.)
decimation: for instance, he's still going to have to sell some gold to pay his land tax in dollars
decimation: yeah, this is true
asciilifeform: but the point here is, the most humble tomato peddler at my local market - still usg funded.
decimation: of course 99% of farmers prefer to receive usg electronic transfers directly to their accounts
asciilifeform: that is, either works for usg, works for entity funded by usg, or works for a humble physical service (e.g. restaurant, plumber's shop) that is frequented by 1 and 2
decimation: yeah, in the wash dc area it's just a little flatter I guess
asciilifeform: (see the canonical piece by 'last psychiatrics' re: one town where this was demonstrable to the naked eye.)
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, it's where USG policy used to be made
decimation: lol so the wall street journal op-ed is where one makes usg policy now?
cazalla: beat you to it, scoopbot
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not even kidding. you know that thing where you can't walk for 50 miles without ending up in a town, nor 10 miles without crossing a road ? << True story, did that.
decimation: those kids being the exact objects which the real estate/job-for-life chumpatrons must devour to sustain themselves
decimation: meanwhile they have kids, who also need to eat
decimation: regarding birth, the ironic thing about wash dc is that the majority of these 'burghers' are holding gov't jobs, which are more-or-less sinecures for life
asciilifeform: unfortunately those categories are almost entirely membership-by-birth.
asciilifeform: but there are several categories of inhabitant who don't need money at all
asciilifeform: decimation: every 'burgher' (see mircea_popescu's essay on the subject) - exactly right
mircea_popescu: what is this supposed to do ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I added all this up once, and came to the conclusion that every single person in the washington DC area must have an income of >$100k
asciilifeform: the 2k does not include other bezzles. e.g., auto, without which it is flatly impossible to buy edibles much less earn anything
mircea_popescu: well... they ain't got that.
mircea_popescu: not even kidding. you know that thing where you can't walk for 50 miles without ending up in a town, nor 10 miles without crossing a road ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unlike europe, the us is very poorly developed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it right re: the massive bezzle gifts, but notice that these aren't really handouts to the plebes - they only get to touch the money and feel warm inside for a few seconds, then they have to give it directly to real estate chumpmeisters or college racket
mike_c: significantly cheaper than mine..
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'cheap' too.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the 2k i pay landlord is 100% tax-free income for him)
mircea_popescu: now to the massive task of documenting this deedsbot thing.
asciilifeform: the tax breaks mostly subsidize playing in chumpatrons like real estate
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << sounds like a review in itself
mircea_popescu: from tax breaks to deferring of college debt, it's all a gift.
mircea_popescu: and where do the relatives get it ?
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's an art too you know.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> one can get a nice flat and three fine meals [...] not coughing up any great advances in arts. <<< yes, they are.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ? << scam, he's just one of those rpi based emulators made the chicoms
asciilifeform: if you aren't in the target demographics (not purely 'ethnic', but approximately for most purposes) it may as well be 'macarthur grant' or nobel, for all you'll ever see of it
asciilifeform: decimation: outside of usa, there are misconceptions. it isn't like anyone can just go and sign up for 'welfare.'
decimation: asciilifeform: it is an odd fact that most 'upright' folks in the us would prefer to starve rather than depend on welfare, yet the same folks view their mortgage deductions as a birthright
asciilifeform: neh, the thread was, in some parts of the world one can get the 'three gruels and a cell', but very few of the folks subscribed have shat out anything worth talking about
decimation: of course, there is the 'george boole' problem, as you point out in the comments
decimation: either those who are rich in bezzlars are sitting on their brilliant inventions or the method by which one comes to hold bezzlars has little to do with productive activity
asciilifeform: (only exception i know of re: 'not coughing up' was j. k. rowling, author of the children's book 'harry potter.' i wonder if they billed her for the pension retroactively...)
cazalla: mike_c, matters not, sporting an old phone will just get you labelled as a hipster because the 3310 is vintage yo
asciilifeform: ergo, the sponsors are selective about who gets the cell and three gruels. in a very particular way.
asciilifeform: stone cell with three gruels << notice a peculiar fact about various 'advanced' bezzlatron nations where one can get a nice flat and three fine restaurant meals a day. but, for some reason, the occupants of said flats are not coughing up any great advances in sciences, arts.
mike_c: yes, the key to the joke was "the other girls"
cazalla: mike_c, i thought it was the girls that like to impress with their phone, blinged up cases and all
decimation: of course. I feel like I started halfway in though, they keep mentioning his earlier exploits with V weapons and I seem to have missed that
asciilifeform: decimation: notice, 'baron von stierlitz' has the same in his file.
asciilifeform: decimation: so clearly, if you're in the game, that's you.
decimation: asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, is it some kind of inside joke when they go through the 'personnel file' of every high ranking Nazi and they all say exactly the same thing?
mike_c: i guess you can use an iphone to impress the other girls at the party. gotta get a cute cover for it though.
cazalla: mike_c, you can use the appstore and just upload your music, download pics via ftp provided it is broken
asciilifeform: mike_c: the current pNohe is entirely usable without a computer.
mike_c: well i don't know what you'd use an iphone for at all. but i thought you needed itunes to install shit on it.
asciilifeform: decimation: where i live, they sorta do this already, but gotta be aryan
decimation: asciilifeform: like, if you are unwilling to provide for yourself, the gov't will supply one small stone cell with three gruels per day?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform and to answer your question, a few months
cazalla: ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\
decimation: asciilifeform: I recall that you were a proponent of 'guaranteed income'
kakobrekla: sadly i also need to convert to a more acceptable format
kakobrekla: idk, but 10 btc would buy a good fat crate'o'em < is this a protest of how unusable btc is to you or ?
PinkPosixPXE: Then, didn't they like demand 2BTC ?
PinkPosixPXE: I guess some idiots on reddit have to be scam trolls to get their daily income...
asciilifeform has to do all kinds of gnarly things for his 'b4s1c 1nc0m3'
asciilifeform: i'd dearly love to know. where do i get some.
asciilifeform: is that 'a thing' now?
asciilifeform: 'attacking #bitcoin-assets for their comments on reddit, assault against basic income, and other crap' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ?
kakobrekla: how do tshirts help?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incorporated << neato. now nubbins` can bake tshirts!
PinkPosixPXE: perhaps they decided going after 1 person wasn't enough for their e-peen-inflation
PinkPosixPXE: may be dropped about 10000 packets total, and did nothing as soon as I flipped my ip..
PinkPosixPXE: 19:46 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account? << nope
mircea_popescu: whenever "joe said" is not automatically followed by "oh yea ? and who the fuck is joe ?" the situation is already in the handbasked and moments away from hell.
decimation: mircea_popescu: agreed. as I drive to work, I listen to that french revolution podcast, and they just covered the 'housewife army' that managed to dislodge Louis from Versailles
decimation: yeah, if the NASDP leadership weren't fucktards, they would have put more emphasis on actual intelligence rather than harassing idiots
mircea_popescu: the us worked just fine, and definitely better than the entire rest of the world, BEFORE extending the franchise.
mircea_popescu: be it the peasants in russia, or the derps in nazi germany, whenever the "common man" is taken from under the foot and put on the table trouble soon follows.
mircea_popescu: all you need to have a reign of terror is to empower the bottom of the social hierarchy. it never fails.
decimation: so, really all you need to have a 'reign of terror' is to put a 'suggestion box' in front of the secret police office
mircea_popescu: decimation this is factual.
decimation: the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism."
decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[78] Gellately argued that it was because of ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember trying to lure testers maybe ?