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Vexual: greeks can'
t count to ballotppaper
mircea_popescu: obv bitcoin can'
t continue pulling in random code. this is an assault on sense, as far as we're concerned, and an assault on their turf as they perceive it, as far as the pr group is concerned.
mircea_popescu: it wasn'
t that great or anything, but it doesn'
t have much competition either.
decimation: he doesn'
t advertise it as complete or fully functional yet
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:51:29; phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn'
t really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows
ascii_modem: for those who don'
t know - mircea_popescu contributed the bix phuctor runs on
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:45:53; pete_dushenski: punkman: ah yes, how farmers don'
t own the tools of their trade. sad story, that.
shinohai: I finally got it set up correctly this evening, it pays to look at things when you aren'
t fantastically drunk
mircea_popescu: no, i mean, sure, maybe x will happen. but then again maybe x won'
t.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:04:00; asciilifeform: can'
t think of any reason not to
ben_vulpes: clearly you don'
t fight enough zombies
cazalla: unfortunately i don'
t really have a place suitable for a few vines
cazalla: thinking about making some tomato wine this coming summer but from what i've read, it isn'
t that nice
cazalla: might've been the uv damage that killed em, i don'
t really know other than summer 2013 provide no tomatos
hanbot: you don'
t understand the way the windowmato works.
punkman: surprised we aren'
t seeing more of these
ascii_modem: one one hand, i don'
t give a shit, yes. on the other, a human turd pressed a button, my nodes are halted, and there is no guarantee that they don'
t have a bottomless magazine of these
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don'
t envisage as much as an inkling of a solution. just more stuff to worry about.
mircea_popescu: punkman right. hence all the "We don'
t give a shit" verbiage here.
mircea_popescu: sure, people don'
t do it yet. mostly because lazy, 2nd mostly because stupid, 3rd mostly because it's not even txn time yet.
mircea_popescu: the process hasn'
t returned yet, the list is already hundreds of entries long
mircea_popescu: and you don'
t even know about the used condoms behind the bed headboard
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that the clients ain'
t reorging properly, which needs looking into/
mircea_popescu: i still don'
t see how it affects us / anything of concern.
mircea_popescu: just because you have one, and it's a very reflective surface, doesn'
t mean it has one too.
mircea_popescu: the dead don'
t know they're dead ; the ridiculous don'
t know they're ridiculous. the world is well constructed for one's amusement.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> here's what's the idea : after botching the soft fork, it seems illogical that the entire bip system should continue at all. << Very much agreed. If someone wants to change something they should write to The Foundation's btc-dev mailing list and submit a patch. And if they can'
t because they're not in the WoT, well they're not in the WoT. They can make a personal appeal here in person.
mircea_popescu: then they go on reddit to "explain" why what they fucked up isn'
t their fault, and "what really happened" , and collect cheap applause from the celenterates therein living.
pete_dushenski: jurov: perhaps ima confoozed, but don'
t orphaned blocks have to be replaced with valid blocks in the main chain ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski 6 blocks wouldn'
t necessarily be visible. even three deep reorgs happen with some regularity naturally.
pete_dushenski: what i can'
t figure out is why the hashrate didn'
t seem to split with the ph0rk...
trinque: I was surprised to find that bitcoin doesn'
t actually look that *big* compared to other C++ projects I've seen
mod6: <+phf> apparently gcc doesn'
t always include all the necessary pthread bits (not just openbsd but other unixes), which results in segfault on launch << on my obsd 5.6 on x86-64 that's the same problem i kept running into; segfault at execution time.
phf: apparently gcc doesn'
t always include all the necessary pthread bits (not just openbsd but other unixes), which results in segfault on launch
midnightmagic: Dude wears the Halo. The other scammers don'
t matter so much. And if I really cared, I'd be doing something other than flicking out belly button lint in the shower. I'm just curious to know why *you guys* stopped.
midnightmagic: Because they haven'
t stopped yet. Hearn's submitting pullreqs he's going to use as propaganda to push people to -XT, and Gavin's going through the bip/pullreq motions when he knows he's going to be voted down. Again.
mircea_popescu: next time they'll need some they... ahem... won'
t read b-a logs etc once more.
midnightmagic: :-P No, just wondering why you think anyone else is more capable than you are at ensuring a value-destroying fork doesn'
t happen.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:24:27; midnightmagic: Unless you are implying people outside the bitcoin world are voracious readers of the -ass logs, as far as I can tell in all the articles, reddit posts, twitter feeds, etc, I don'
t see more than a passing mention. But even if that weren'
t so, really I'm a little disappointed the wind all went out of your sails, as it were.
midnightmagic: Almost like a sort of mass-ennui/retirement mentality. Tired of working for something they don'
t believe in anymore.
mircea_popescu: an exquisitely african thing this, as late as 2000 one could notice that all the egyptians seem willing to do is stand in front of the pyramids with their chests pushed out, or else gesturing importantly. meanwhile... the people who built those things don'
t look anything like the arab mongrels currently populating the place, if extant statues are to be believed.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:06:56; decimation: why isn'
t anyone seriously attempting to extract the open-ssl code paths used by bitcoin?
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 05:26:45; decimation: I would also note that the bitcoind github commits and comments lie about the IsSuperMajority machine. They say that the mandatory rejection won'
t take effect until 95% of the blocks are incremented - but in fact it's only 950
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:47:46; decimation: I would say that on its face, bip66 isn'
t such a terrible idea
thestringpuller: midnightmagic: there really isn'
t news. just gavin/hearn having a temper tantrum like a little kid because they want more subsidies for poor people.
decimation: if bitcoin core devs agree with what people here are writing, why don'
t they venture here to make their case?
midnightmagic: What? He's pushing his BIP and pullreq, and Hearn is busy doing pullreqs which he knows doesn'
t have a chance of making it.
ben_vulpes: for a grand coup of shit-as-what-don'
t-matter?
decimation: I don'
t really read reddit or twitter, but I recall that gavin captiulated, more or less
midnightmagic: Unless you are implying people outside the bitcoin world are voracious readers of the -ass logs, as far as I can tell in all the articles, reddit posts, twitter feeds, etc, I don'
t see more than a passing mention. But even if that weren'
t so, really I'm a little disappointed the wind all went out of your sails, as it were.
☟︎ decimation: well, it wasn'
t me doing any of this stuff
decimation: his code sucks, I don'
t deny, but it's the closest thing to a spec that we have
ben_vulpes: it's all well and good to say "strip out the components", i just don'
t buy that that's possible.
decimation: again, nobody is forcing anybody use a version of openssl they don'
t want to use.
midnightmagic: or, do what sipa did and write a secp256k1 lib because the openssl people don'
t give a shit they're wrecking dependencies.
ben_vulpes: decimation: no but you see we need to slurp the spitoon because if we don'
t something terrifying that we can'
t reason about won'
t happen!
decimation: understand the code, make sure it doesn'
t happen
ben_vulpes: <decimation> why wouldn'
t we want a static bitcoind that is correct for all time? << we do. midnightmagic does not.
decimation: why wouldn'
t we want a static bitcoind that is correct for all time?
midnightmagic: decimation: Nobody, of course. Then we go back to static builds and what happens when an actual bug hits and the fork is so old that the fix doesn'
t backport? How divergent are we willing to accept?
ben_vulpes: bitcoind's built with openssl versions after 1.0.1g don'
t sync.
decimation: why isn'
t anyone seriously attempting to extract the open-ssl code paths used by bitcoin?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this moronic 'acceptance-in-blockchain' algo doesn'
t work, because hashpower can revert and rewrite an arbitrarily-lengthed blockchain.
ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: you make this mistake of letting the plants control the conversation. "what's the right magic number of blocks to signal fork acceptance?" answer: there isn'
t. there is only the long-term behavior of the network.
ben_vulpes: y'ever hear the line: "don'
t feed the trolls"?
midnightmagic: ben_vulpes: #trollfail. That sort of thing doesn'
t work on me, especially when it comes from someone like you.
decimation: at any rate, it's not like you couldn'
t jam it by changing nversion to an arbitrary value
decimation: I would also note that the bitcoind github commits and comments lie about the IsSuperMajority machine. They say that the mandatory rejection won'
t take effect until 95% of the blocks are incremented - but in fact it's only 950
☟︎ ben_vulpes: "reasons" being that i wrote a blog post saying "i don'
t think much happened after this"
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:48:11; Luke-Jr: it can'
t, if you don'
t have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in..
decimation: asciilifeform: I can already hear jwz saying that he doesn'
t want politics, just to do the right thing
decimation: I would say that on its face, bip66 isn'
t such a terrible idea
☟︎ ben_vulpes is somewhat at sea w/r/
t propaganda semantics
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, mod6, asciilifeform: i don'
t see a reason to make this much more than 25 words. do you think much detail or polemic is necessary here?
mircea_popescu: i don'
t think any sane nodes can be up to date atm, until this resolves.
mircea_popescu: "Current status: F2Pool still broken; Antpool fixed (but no promise they won'
t intentionally re-break in the future)." is really all that one needs to lol
ben_vulpes: i want a man in the ground, i don'
t make that dependent on his wife squirting or w/e
decimation: the problem is that 0.5.3 blocks generated by 0.5.3 won'
t validate if those IfSuperMajority rules check