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assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 21:26:13; mircea_popescu: really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it.
Adlai: liquidity providing = rape strategy against anything that uses large market orders
asciilifeform: (see rest of that thread)
Adlai: interesting. seen a certain way, i'm a slow-bleeding rape of things like MACD crossover bots
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 21:16:22; asciilifeform: (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless)
Adlai: oh, this. you're welcome to do this, it's open source after all :)
Adlai: if i'm ever too spammy in repeating this, please tell me
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:17:32; *: Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software
Adlai: fwiw, if anybody in here is interested in geeking out a little on scalpl and trying it out for themselves (or just get a better idea for how well it works atm), i'd gladly do that in PM. i try to keep my horn-tooting to a minimum, although http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913050 is still going ☝︎
asciilifeform: arket capitalization of the entire present (and discounted future) monetary good.' (mr. mold)
asciilifeform: 'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the m ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2013 02:59:23; Chaaang-Noi: i find your guys reaction to gold and silver as a store of value very funny :)
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33371 << a forex fellow in NYC recently put it best: "Any commodity or asset being used as a store of value will experience higher prices than its 'true value'... Bitcoin separates this into a separate asset, enabling better price discovery for the others" ☝︎
bounce: ew. I think I'll prefer rai stones, thanks.
asciilifeform: ^ possibly start of thread
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc.
Adlai: "Updates: We might switch over to dogeparty.io."
assbot: [ANN][SKULL] ☠ SkullCoin | in-Game Treasure Hunt | PoQ
asciilifeform: may have involved skulls rather than scalps.
assbot: I scalp coin (@scalpcoin) on Twitter
Adlai: google has failed me, too, only brought up https://twitter.com/scalpcoin
asciilifeform: (see last year's thread.)
BingoBoingo: Fish market requires nose resolution. Kidney market could use scalpel though.
Adlai: asciilifeform: anything, really, although the resolution of the salty fishmarket is probably too low for scalpl to be much good
gernika: mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage << Is "3rd stage" a reference to a formal description of the classes of reading ability that I can research elsewhere?
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
Adlai: asciilifeform: contract, so i can eat until the avenue ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052 ) opens up again ☝︎
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, bounce: "gods" << mayer l brenner's dance of the gods series was very entertaining. i endorse.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways?
asciilifeform: afaik his 'trolling' was specifically engineered to drive certain folks out of his turf
Adlai: i'm not sure anybody knows exactly how much of the collected works of erik naggum is trolling and how much is genuine hatred for bullshit and idiocy, but i imagine most was the latter
Adlai: mircea_popescu: poster from my greek history classroom: "It takes N muscles to smile // M[<N] muscles to frown // but 0 to just sit there with a dumb look on your face"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: damned if i know. herr naggum was a shot, though. afaik it was one of his favourite pasttimes.
assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html <<< i read a few dozen lines in that insane rant, then got bored, scrolled down past 4x as much material, ended up with the signature. sniper rifle ? srsly ? is this guy trolling ?
ben_vulpes: "what politics? what politicians? the above cannot possibly affect bitcoin."
Adlai often gets called a politician by irl friends and is unsure whether to take this as a compliment or wut
mircea_popescu: aha ? what is the q ?
assbot: 1 results for 'letter to sultan' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=letter+to+sultan
asciilifeform: !s letter to sultan
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?
mircea_popescu: people were still naming their kids calogero after him when de niro was but a wee boy.
asciilifeform: approximately: 'the soviet den of thieves / to council it did go; / the soviet den-of-thieves / to enemy, said 'no!' / we turned that bitch right in / to the chaps at kgb / since then, at not one prison / i ever him did see! '
mats_cd03: 13:13:47 <+mircea_popescu> ... the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad. << interesting perspective, this
asciilifeform: incidentally, the roles reversed:
mircea_popescu: (the people in question might have known of this)
asciilifeform: this certainly wasn't part of the marketing literature, no
mircea_popescu: (is this fiction still current, btw ? moscow as 3rd rome ?)
asciilifeform: afaik even schoolboys in usa know this.
mircea_popescu: should be obvious why they didn't think much of the other rome
mircea_popescu: sicily was roughly equivalent to old dixie. rural, strong right sorts of people. the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad.
asciilifeform: or because the folks with brains understood that they're part of some ecosystem that, if enemy is victorious, is slated for demolition?
mircea_popescu: from what i heard from the remnants of people actually involved, dealing with the germans was more or less like dealing with a party that had done a bunch of drugs, sober.
asciilifeform: sicilian mafia refused, iirc, to distribute counterfeit german usd during ww2.
asciilifeform: let's try that again. what's usg's plan for criminal 'elements'? not extermination, in any sense. but to keep the relationship symbiotic rather than predatorial.
mircea_popescu: well... if they do they won't be so long for this world, getting in anyone's way, right ?
mircea_popescu: but this is like saying "it's bad to have oil in the ground, because idiots will drink it"
asciilifeform: distrust in the pathological sense, rather than the 'trust but verify' sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think distrust is a negative ?
asciilifeform: and keep them using pwnables, convinced that any defeat is through the work of stoolies in their midst.
asciilifeform: the two purposes of parallel construction are the obvious one (disguise and preserve pwnage capability) but also to sow distrust and spymania among the opponents of usg.
Naphex: and really lets be honest here, why are those markets so easy to take down ?
bounce: the money flows with gay abandon to the point there's a term for that: "military industrial complex"
bounce: it's a well-paying job for many little drones that produce all those intelligence reports that nobody gets around to reading
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that the company went bankrupt not because it had no money, but because it kept not being able to move it from accounting to other offices.
mircea_popescu: bounce now what sense does that make ?
bounce: the impression I got was that the SIGINT is quite good, but the inter-office communication not so much
Naphex: in the same day
mircea_popescu: compared to its own efforts however...
mircea_popescu: bounce only compared to other agents, that do a much better job of it.
Naphex: asciilifeform: hey, in the small town i live in, like 300k
bounce: AIUI it was usg HUMINT that was laughingly poor
asciilifeform: that's the official story.
Naphex: its safe bet to figure that most of the lowlies will be meeting each other
Naphex: what i'm thinking is that they just infiltrate comunities, and then start drilling down
punkman: they took down around 400 .onions btw
mircea_popescu: sell some pills while keeping track of exactly all the ways the usg gets the data, actually, then leak that.
asciilifeform: for some reason - 'no one' mentions this.
mircea_popescu: if any of the young uns reading us silently is looking for a dragon to slay anbd be a hero : run a new silkroad as a reverse-honeypot.
asciilifeform: sr1 was, afaik, running heartbleeding tor.
Naphex: then eventually comes the bust
Naphex: hey you gotta figure out as soon as lowlies seen SR1.0 drop, find a dork, put a website on that tor thingie
asciilifeform: he nailed it at the time of sr1 also.
mircea_popescu: this is the basic work mode of this entire process anyway, it doesn't work too well outside of it.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'sr2 had a usg mole.' 'no we didn't' 'ah, but mr envelope-licker was our mole' 'no he wasn't, we were best chums' 'he just swore in court that he was mole.' 'but he did it to get charges dropped against self' 'tough'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. which is the angle that i stand behind here. usg is using the tor as it was designed to be used, meanwhile lies about how they got the data, and the people accused are too fucking stupid for that not to stick.
asciilifeform: parallel construction is ridiculously easy, -especially- if the victim is in fact somewhat dull
mircea_popescu: they're addicts, they don't want to believe that.
mircea_popescu: if think about it : accepting the proposition that sr ops are dumb as rocks implies accepting the proposition that the shit will eventually be closed down.
mircea_popescu: Naphex well the reddits wish to believe.
Naphex: people just throw shit on tor, and it bunks up
Naphex: or mebbe people just think too much of darkmarket operators
mircea_popescu: "can use spoon to eat soup but not paddle a small boat. because i am an idiot" wtf.
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is this even supposed to mean.
mircea_popescu: "Without getting into too much detail, it is useful for capturing minute distinctions between accents and dialects; it is not useful for achieving a dialect-neutral representation of a language."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth". << SR 1.0 parallel construction, SR 2.0 comedy of errors
mircea_popescu: funny how that works.
asciilifeform: and, for some odd reason, not everyone could agree to ignore
asciilifeform: picture if there were only 10 regulars here in #b-a, and one of them were ninjasp4mz0r
asciilifeform: herr naggum was in the unfortunate position of inhabiting a very small space where idiots could not be routed around, but had to be actively hounded into exile