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mircea_popescu: much to everyone's surprise o.o
mircea_popescu: apparently people wanna use your things
kakobreklaa: lol whats the rush
kakobreklaa: not much to it, you send a signcrypted message to socket and get back an answer, just like mpex works
Adlai: please tell us more about your pgpivorous steroid socket
Adlai: or more precisely... it works, but not as expected by the optimistic plumber
Adlai: upon further examination it does not seem to work
kakobreklaa: i have a 0mq that will eat pgp
kakobreklaa: idk if that works
Adlai: kakobreklaa: so, this works entirely through mt4?
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m54SmVsQqgc << lmao check out them crazy candians
kakobreklaa: lucky i update the page once every 6 months or so you can look at internet archive for freshest news
mircea_popescu: a spoonful of dung has very big possibility, in the future.
zanza: in the future
zanza: cool :) I think it is a great idea
mircea_popescu: the details are in the f.mpif reports.
kakobrekla: yes, more things to come soon
zanza: none of them allow you to keep BTC balance I believe
zanza: but the main Forex companies are so regulated by government I don't want to deal with them
mircea_popescu: it's rare that noobs manage to ask questions i actually want to hear the answer to.
zanza: I was reading Bitcointalk, people are looking for Forex to do with Bitcoin, but the main issue is trust
mircea_popescu perks ears for this one.
zanza: is business ok for you? something you will continue doing in the future?
kakobrekla: you cant trade btcusd or btcxxx
zanza: got it thanks!
zanza: but you can't trade currency with BTC right? like Eur/USD
zanza: I assume you use your own money to do the forex
zanza: so the price change doesn't effect you
zanza: ok, so do you balance the bitcoin storage somehow like I forget the word
kakobrekla: for my part there is very little risk
mircea_popescu: " After selling his ISP company in 2007, he began work as a researcher and advocate for digital currencies. He enjoys working as a freelance writer and is editor in chief at Altcoin Press." totally, 5 year gap in the mongoloid's cv. spent 2007-2013 staring at a brick.
zanza: or is it not that risky if price changes
zanza: Kakobrekla, may I ask, does running the Bit4x site have a lot of risk for you? i mean if prices change
mircea_popescu: seriously ? fucking retard world out there. "little timmy dribbles is an early cerealizer and soup eater"
mircea_popescu: zanza they're dumb is the problem. rude, whatever.
mircea_popescu: http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ?
zanza: ok :) cool ill send an email and like to setup an cct
kakobrekla: well the site isnt that good but the service is
zanza: it seems to have goot OTC review
zanza: bit4x good site? i am looking to do forex in bitcoin
zanza: yeah, he lists this as the IRC channel :o
mircea_popescu: isn;'t that kakobrekla's thing ?
zanza: has anyone tried Bit4x?
mircea_popescu: "i read some shit from last year's trilema and here's my inept respinning of it!"
mircea_popescu: "In my last post, I posited a fictional world, Crypton, where no governments1 back up contracts with the threat of force2."
ben_vulpes: who is this: http://futurerant.tumblr.com/
mircea_popescu: "investments" they're called. mpoe-pr was totally a smart way to use money huh.
ben_vulpes: describe the repo in question and your branching policy if you have such and the time to elaborate upon it.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: do us all a favor, and send the mailing list an email, yeah?
ben_vulpes: in the same vein as the declaration, the only code that matters is that as published by *individuals*, and only ever those in the wot.
ben_vulpes: the thing is best pursued as the outputs of *authors*, rather than any sort of "blessed" anything by any sort of "foundation".
ben_vulpes: i'll link in the AM.
chalbersma: When I get a chance to do some hacking I'll be sure to.
Adlai: chalbersma (and anybody else who may have looked at the repo), please make sure to pull the non-FF changes that properly attribute commit authors
kakobrekla: convert on first request then serve from disk
PeterL: hmm, now thinking of best way to do this ...
mircea_popescu: PeterL "HTTP gateway timed out". caching's a must.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla feature request : when assbot parses a pdf url, can it spit it out with http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl= prefixed for convenience, while also making a http request so as to start the conversion ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the next words out of my mouth were, PeterL pls to cache documents and
PeterL: I wonder if I should be caching a copy of documents so that it does not have to do the conversion for everybody clicking the link you just posted?
Adlai tries his hand at the turd polish
mircea_popescu: main point being that ever since kant, all sorts of imperatives are left around.
assbot: Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RagnarDanneskjol: not a tax - those are fees - paying for a service - one can opt out. point taken on moral vs legal imperative.. its the imperative part i'm still struggling with
mircea_popescu: making it a moral imperative rather than a legal imperative is also important, precisely because the ancient style of voluntary taxation is actually superior, on all scores, to whatever coercitive crap the socialists are doing today.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, it's politically useful. while i can appreciate the philosophical argument of "epsilon is still fundamentally different from 0", it doesn't carry as much practical importance as all that. for one thing, everyone feels entitled to tax you .1%, including any bank moving your money, and so on and so forth. heck, the miners are taxing about 0.1%
RagnarDanneskjol: ha, if only it were that easy
mircea_popescu: manwhile, if they subscribe to this, they don't have to : "i won't pay you any tax, not for any other reason than that ~i already paid~".
mircea_popescu: anyway, arguing against all tax may be a difficult tack for your average business trying to get on with its business rather than become noam chomsky.
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think so. maybe
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well... you familiar with the expression "i gave at the office" ?
RagnarDanneskjol: any sense to me -especially until the foundation proves its worth/value
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu i suppose the notion of taxation in any form makes my brain burn -whether it be through force, state declaration or moral requirement. I am all in favor of the foundation and will likely contribute more than .01% of my earnings to it, but pressing a moral obligation or establishing a rule/precedent for 'taxation' for anyone participating in btc commerce just doesn't make
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. << pretty much how this works yes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. << nah, not related.
mircea_popescu: <RagnarDanneskjol> in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable << why ?
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
RagnarDanneskjol: chalbersma - also worth mentioning (what's wrong w/ the 'official' ver): http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html
chalbersma: I assume they're hosting the code somewhere?
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RagnarDanneskjol: getting some links to bring you up to speed
RagnarDanneskjol: and looking for guys like you with some hands on experience to contribute
RagnarDanneskjol: well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state
chalbersma: What seems to be the support problem you speak of?
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of support, how you been chalbersma - LA treating you ok
decimation: yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think
decimation: I had to add a few headers
asciilifeform: decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet.
decimation: asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot
asciilifeform: i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now
asciilifeform: (other than being the devil who led these folks into the temptation of trying to craft a 'reference implementation.')
asciilifeform: i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it
asciilifeform: (which others must sign? this question has not been formally answered yet. on account of there not being a real maintainer.)
asciilifeform: that is, it must address a specific thing, and patch is not really considered worthwhile until other participants are willing to sign it.
asciilifeform: the only thing not mentioned there, is the absolute need for patches to be readable
RagnarDanneskjol: oh that ok
RagnarDanneskjol: or the rules of contention
RagnarDanneskjol: can you pls direct me to jurov's requirements?
RagnarDanneskjol: got it. tithe I can live with. tax not so much
RagnarDanneskjol: might be that too