mircea_popescu: as opposed to "getting attention"

mircea_popescu: aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything

mircea_popescu: saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar.

mircea_popescu: an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything.

mircea_popescu: andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means

mircea_popescu: lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b

mircea_popescu: "Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..."

mircea_popescu: cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ?

mircea_popescu: "There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country"

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received

mircea_popescu: in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough

mircea_popescu: for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat.

mircea_popescu: and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap.

mircea_popescu: gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes.

mircea_popescu: anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with"

mircea_popescu: meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc.

mircea_popescu: poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia

mircea_popescu: gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons

mircea_popescu: which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time.

mircea_popescu: joecool that was never very clearly specified.

mircea_popescu: xanthyos moar like, what do they do.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads.

mircea_popescu: (incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it)

mircea_popescu: just a latin thing.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat.

mircea_popescu: saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds [...] they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk nothing is "meant", srsly.

mircea_popescu: which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit.

mircea_popescu: and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either.

mircea_popescu: saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash.

mircea_popescu: xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ?

mircea_popescu: saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened.

mircea_popescu: "o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!"

mircea_popescu: may be the worst scampeaches i ever did see.

mircea_popescu: so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse

mircea_popescu: undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two.

mircea_popescu: joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?

mircea_popescu: undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ?

mircea_popescu: joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D

mircea_popescu: i think half the liquid i drink is milk.

mircea_popescu: undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even.

mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing.

mircea_popescu: saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?