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mircea_popescu: davout not much ; asciilifeform well we don't yet have fg-capable isps.
mircea_popescu: ie "today is the 5th so all paste urls will sum to 05ff" or "this item is long therefore the paste will have more caps than small letters" etc
mircea_popescu: in the sense that third party can predict (by eliminating some as impossible) future urls in whatever manner.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how is it implemented btw ? not something directly breakable like "hash the microtime, put through base64 and truncate" is it ?
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of wisdom we ended up baking into teh whole paste thing.
mircea_popescu: i suppose necessarily we'll reference them by eg bpaste ids, thereby going right back to the hash.
mircea_popescu: now to the saddest part of this all, whereby N being 512 bytes long, we can't actually fit them in irc lines.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a compromised key by definition, two people have the pq
mircea_popescu: and the fact that BOTH e and comment are arbitrary is not concerning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, n without e is not a complete pubkey, hence the e,N,comment standard. nevertheless, N is a sufficient index of the e,N,comment line that properly constitutes a pubkey.
mircea_popescu has made "varza calita" however you call it, cabbage carmelized with bacon, with CAYENNE paprika. holy shit this is a good idea, had to come to new world to discover.
mircea_popescu: whoever wants to decrypt will either know it or not decrypt.
mircea_popescu: trinque well yes but the illiterate approach (which is what this is) rapidly devolves into orcdom.
mircea_popescu: what's this "genuine e". rsa is based on p,q,N not on e's.
mircea_popescu: that's unrelated to this conversation. N is not a hash, it's the modulus.
mircea_popescu: well, and having "asciilifeform" or "17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7" is having no portion of the pubkey.
mircea_popescu: in any case. there's no requirement that you be able to use the word "car" to go shopping in it ; and similarily there's no requirement that you be able to use a key's fingerprint to sign, or check signatures with it. the intention of the fingerprint is to permit you to reference a specific key unambiguously to a third party, such as when asking for it.
mircea_popescu: but this dun include es, pictures, nicks, other comments. it includes N.
mircea_popescu: as i said, making the modulus be the name has its advantages.
mircea_popescu: well, at first it was about lobbes warning people not to rely on the "control dials" as provided by koch-gpg, for being unreliable ; then you wanted to talk about fps and then at some point and without warning anyone apparently pivoted to talking about pubkeys and signatures.
mircea_popescu: how do you even put up with "asciilifeform" in the first place ? shouldn't it be stanisalvborninodessaandflownbyparentsacrossseaatcostofsellingitemsfromhouseandalsodoesntlikewashingtondcandhasagirlandahouseblablabla ?
mircea_popescu: i had nfi you object to names as a matter of principle.
mircea_popescu: imo it's a schelling point found at considerable expense and of significant value
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure i want gossipd lines to be longer than irc.
mircea_popescu: the fact that we're still using a what was it, 400 char line protocol has some bearing on what we call things.
mircea_popescu was rather toying with the idea of standarizing ben_vulpes 's identifier thing across teh republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're evidently buying, seeing how, let's do it the third time...
mircea_popescu: but somehow commerce hasn't come at astandstill by the fact that you can call a folded sheet of paper as well as a 100`000 ton transport item "boat"
mircea_popescu: if the above read, like ben_vulpes 's paste, five letters in base64, we'd be none the poorer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are currentrly using arbitrarily breakable fp.
mircea_popescu: this isn't something to be bruteforced through protocol. people can keep cabbage in pots labeled sugar all they want.
mircea_popescu: so trinque gets a notification that hey, you got the wrong ITEM stored under reference X.
mircea_popescu: that this reference is not functional, which is to say does not substitute for the thing it references, is a trivially true and entirely spurious observation.
mircea_popescu: there can be no doubt as to which key is being referenced if the reference consists of modulus.
mircea_popescu: much like whether fps are or are not useful wasn't discussed by anyone but yourself. the original problem was that gpg unreliably reported "key doesn't expire" to lobbes , when in fact it did expire.
mircea_popescu: whether e is or is not part of pubkey was not at any point discussed by anyone other than yourself ;
mircea_popescu: NO, this doesn't explode to where everey possible PROPERTY of the item is now also going to be detailed in the name.
mircea_popescu: yes, koch fps are ineptly chosen names. yes there's value in having a biunivocal name-item relation by default.
mircea_popescu: make an effort and distinguish betwen the thing and the thing's name.
mircea_popescu: but a third party asked for N knows WHAT key is being discussed. which is the point of labeling keys.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's no doubt as to which key is in discussion.
mircea_popescu: this complete identification may not include automatically the irc name, or the exponent, or the user's dog's picture
mircea_popescu: sure. but more generally, the names of things respect the rules of grammar, not the rules of mechanics.
mircea_popescu: which reduces to "there ARE practical limits to labels for things ; and they are unrelated to the sizes of the things, i expect the WORD for ant, dick, car and aeroplane to all fit the ~5.6 characters rule as universally enforced in alphabet"
mircea_popescu: but if you come up with the idea that "you know what, alf can have whatever kilometric hash and in my deedbot implementation ima use the first 100 chars and that's that" im not gonna bitch.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously we would use deflation, say baseblabla to fix this up to a point.
mircea_popescu: what happens if FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 is longer than a chat line ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless the fucking fp can fit in irc, we're stuck building gossipd before using this "Actual thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no need to include the exponent. if ppl don't know what exponent to use for a certain modulus, let them find out.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: koch-gpg is an unreliable apparatus in the vein of random-shooting pistols etc.
mircea_popescu: at no point was this discussion about key identifiers. the fact that gpg reports "no expiration" FALSELY, as it reports all sorts of false or otherwise stupid, misleading etc non-facts is at issue
mircea_popescu: i would propose this is because pornstars lack imagination not because the name lacks suggestiveness.