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danielpbarron: try asking an "ancap" if you have
the right
to beat your own kids/wives/slaves on your own property
JuliaTourianski: We can't know. So who aggressed against who? Should
the man have asked
to grab her ass first...well,
that would contradict
the entire concept of
the mutual
thrill of ass grabbing.
JuliaTourianski: Woman and man at a bar.
They may or may not be flirting...each may interpret
their interaction differently. Man grabs woman's ass. Woman punches man in face. Has
there been a violation of
the non-aggression principle? What if
the woman liked it or wanted it, but felt embarrassed of her urges due
to
the public setting and retaliated in a way she felt redeemable. Or maybe she was abused as a child and
the act de
berndj: lol undata many of its pages were indeed read on
the
toilet
undata: or if
they did, it must've been
the only
thing on
the
toilet
berndj: JuliaTourianski, do you know
the book _48 laws of power_? your "sour grapes" comment reminded me,
there's rule 36: Disdain
things you cannot have: ignoring
them is
the best revenge
JuliaTourianski: I can never be wholly secure.
Total liberation in
this sense (as Schopenhauer correctly perceived) is conferred only by death.28
JuliaTourianski: "If I save myself from an adversary by retreating indoors and locking every entrance and exit, I may remain freer
than if I had been captured by him, but am I freer
than if I had defeated or captured him? If I go
too far, contract myself into
too small a space, I shall suffocate and die.
The logical culmination of
the process of destroying everything
through which I can possibly be wounded is suicide. While I exist
mircea_popescu: then
the whole ecosystem collapses under
their weight ; rocks fall, everyone dies ;
the mongols come
to rape
the lot.
mircea_popescu: or else,
that you'd have unbearable brats
the sort
that grow up
to be isaiah berlin and fill
the world with
the idiocy of
their parareasonings as
to why nobody ever needs
to grow
the fuck up already.
mircea_popescu: the alternative being, of course,
that you could be an old maid, in which case
the same children would be... just as equally dead.
mircea_popescu: but now
they are 16, and a man comes and
takes
them
to war, where
they get shot and die.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you get over it, and
the wound heals like any wound, and now you have children, which of course you love, being so wired
to do.
mircea_popescu: this is obviously coercitive, on
the part of said man.
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, a strange man comes,
takes you away, puts you in a new place and makes you pregnant.
mircea_popescu: you get
to be 16. at
this point you figure - miuch like
that chick in wuthering heights or whichever had
the 7 sisters - you have about as much need of fucking as you have of someone sticking his finger up your nose.
mircea_popescu: you are a little girl growing up in
the house of your parents, which is all nice and good.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski let's look
through all
this by using a model of yourself as a little girl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's come full circle, by now
the unruly stupid children of yesteryear are forming pseudophylosophyc systems
to justify
their sillyness.
JuliaTourianski: Dostoyevsky said: "boots are superior
to Pushkin" so what is freedom? freedom
to starve of freeze in
the cold? or freedom
to be warm and fed under rule
mircea_popescu: because
that happens
to be both
the source and
the point of coercion in practice.
JuliaTourianski: "One is
that all coercion is, in so far as it frustrates human desires, bad as such, although it may have
to be applied
to prevent other, greater evils; while non-interference, which is
the opposite of coercion, is good as such, although it is not
the only good."
mircea_popescu: generally writers do readers
the courtesy of defining stuff
tho.
mircea_popescu: well yes, i guess you should. much like we can't use unsigned patches for any reason, you can't use undefined jumbles for any
thinking.
JuliaTourianski: I quoted something, so I'd have
to ask mr. berlin what he means
mircea_popescu: no discussion is either important or ever relevant if
the discussers don't know what
they mean by words.
JuliaTourianski: is
the discussion of freedom even important or relevant anymore
JuliaTourianski: asciilifeform now
that's presumptuous...even
though I agree
BingoBoingo: Sure, figured I'd like
the source for
the sake of
the rest of
the stories
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by exception from
the general rule, i actually wanted
this one in
teh record.
mircea_popescu: "Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his
teacher.
mircea_popescu: "I do not want it
to have any preconceptions of how
to play", Sussman said.
mircea_popescu: "I am
training a randomly wired neural net
to play
Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied.
mircea_popescu: In
the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came
to him as he sat hacking at
the PDP-6.
☟︎ BingoBoingo also
thinks
the F-word is
too
tainted by abuse
to be useful on its own.
JuliaTourianski: actually i am not making presumptions at all. I am admitting
to be color blind here
mircea_popescu: if you define it as em with wavelength so and so,
then yes.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski for "it"
to "be" something you're making some presumptions. is
the color pink possible ? if so, what is it ?
BingoBoingo finds it more useful
to consider freedom a conditional
mircea_popescu: well so far we're at
the point where we
try
to find out what you mean by words.
JuliaTourianski: meh i dunno. i'm
trying
to gage some
thought
that will surprise me maybe
JuliaTourianski: the form of life he has invented for
them, he will, on
this definition, have succeeded in liberating
them. He will, no doubt, have made
them feel free - as Epictetus feels freer
than his master (and
the proverbial good man is said
to feel happy on
the rack). But what he has created is
the very antithesis of political freedom
JuliaTourianski: will not do. If I find
that I am able
to do little or nothing of what I wish, I need only contract or extinguish my wishes, and I am made free. If
the
tyrant (or 'hidden persuader') manages
to condition his subjects (or customers) into losing
their original wishes and embracing ('internalising')
JuliaTourianski: "The doctrine
that maintains
that what I cannot have I must
teach myself not
to desire,
that a desire eliminated, or successfully resisted, is as good as a desire satisfied, is a sublime, but, it seems
to me, unmistakable, form of
the doctrine of sour grapes: what I cannot be sure of, I cannot
truly want.
This makes it clear why
the definition of negative liberty as
the ability
to do what one wishes - which is, in e
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski let's
take an oblique
tack. forget coercing a man. what is coercing a woman ?
JuliaTourianski: the entire
thing feels like a feel-good distraction from actual attainable action.
JuliaTourianski: so change direction from blowjobs, I wanted
to ask your
thought on
this "freedom" we're all obsessed with. i like
this critique: "To coerce a man is
to deprive him of freedom - freedom from what? Almost every moralist in human history has praised freedom. Like happiness and goodness, like nature and reality, it is a
term whose meaning is so porous
that
there is little interpretation
that it seems able
to resist"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In
this part of USia, $100 could buy 2
tanks with $20 left over
mircea_popescu: it buys even less
than a lolipop on a comet, so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: i have yet
to meet a female argentinian
that's both a) fuckable and b) owner in her own right of $100 worth of monthly income free and clear of any burden.
mircea_popescu: this is definitely most of africa, but i suspect most of
the us by now,
too.
jurov: there are
total 4 backslashes in 'line1\nline2 \\\n' , maybe irc ate
them?
jurov: but when you open out.txt in less or vim it pretends
there is no newline in
the end
jurov: damn hexdump switched
the endianness, file is actually correct
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu:
the definition of poverty! << say moar <<< sarcasm,
the lowest form of wit.
jurov: this looks like a
trojan in python..using \\\n
to
trigger
jurov: oh you mean
the paste box
jurov: but i am not putting
the code in browser
Azelphur: jurov: I wonder if it's a Windows line ending
thing.
jurov: Azelphur: it exchanged
the \ and \n