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asciilifeform: given as he has a right-move oracle installed in him, and dun have to think any moves ahead
diana_coman: played a bit with ffa too; maybe I get some time to add to mod6's testing of it
mircea_popescu: dumbfounding shitnonsense is this anyway. i do the things i do because they ARE! the right things to do. present fucking tense. not because i'm hopping such and such a tomorrow as'll make them retrospectively the right things. wtf is even this, inflatothink.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i literally, and entirely, don't give a shit what happens tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i care what happened yesterday. and what happened yesterday was, i owned a box. and on it, i...
asciilifeform: 'whatever' is only ever uttered by folx who don't have to lift a finger. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes. if... i own... a box... i ~~~therefore~~~ remove... the crap on it. and then, install, non crap on it.
asciilifeform: this is not a thing.
mircea_popescu: tmsr is not a ux shop.
mircea_popescu: but... if i own a box... therefore... i check and remove... crap.. and then... instal... sanity.
mircea_popescu: i own a box. this box has crap on it. therefore... i ... delete the crap. and put something sane on./
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:34 mircea_popescu: the russians have no planes without the israeli bits. which means in point of fact that yes, the israelis have a fighter jet. and the best kind there can be had, also -- another's wife.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit if it's 0 or -0.01
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:28 mircea_popescu: the airtightness is more important than just plopping a split unit on the livingroom wall.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687721 << this is absolutely so. asciilifeform has a large ac in the work shed and it does ~0 -- because poor seals. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( these are creatures whose entire existence sits on a hallucinated pillar of 'choice' etc )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687704 << my contention was that trying to, e.g., 'solve 1024 chickens problem' is wasted effort in this case, just format their hdd and call it a day ☝︎
asciilifeform: but suppose what you really want is to clear a minefield.
mircea_popescu: i still don't follow this. so : there's a chickfield. upon this chickfield you run a transform. it results in either all of them dying or some useful slavegirls surviving.
pete_dushenski: i shan't give up on this lol even if it is now a stale, forced effort!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski spent 5 mins to load a 404
pete_dushenski: i got a kick out of the 'we are mp because we can haz podcast, bow hethens!!1' schtick
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687493 << there is certainly a "minimum safe count". the issue is that just like with bitcoin -- the actual count increases as the item grows. so "waiting to polish it moar" not necessarily winning strategy. then again, too early not winning strategy either. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples. << Poor crab apples, many are enslaved as the plumbing that allows fruiting apples to live. This is a rich metaphor space.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:08 trinque: right, so usg crumbles, erdrogan or whoever throws a big neo-caliphate party, invites everyone to go israel-stomping. russia and china collectivey "meh" and lol at the US losing a colony
mircea_popescu: but in more practical terms, apparently "teh terrorists" actually took over a country on the quiet.
mircea_popescu: the russians have no planes without the israeli bits. which means in point of fact that yes, the israelis have a fighter jet. and the best kind there can be had, also -- another's wife. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:48 asciilifeform: afaik they still dun have a, e.g., self-made fighter jet.
pete_dushenski: well aren't we just the a/c salesmen. well goddamit if i call him right now to install it's of my own volition!!1
pete_dushenski: airtightness is pretty much a given in these parts, in my 60s house or 50s office maybe a bit less but certainly in newer builds
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, 5k in deductible payment that improves property is way the fuck better than aerosol induced astma, which is something that does happen, and which is something that can readily cost 10x that over a miserable lifetime.
mircea_popescu: the airtightness is more important than just plopping a split unit on the livingroom wall. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: just got quote for a/c at house actually : $5k (~1.4btc). not terribru and better than coughing myself awake in the middle of the night ?
mircea_popescu: you have a water plant in the basement, and it should be right next to the airplant.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:27 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: modern-day .il is a parasitic rider on usg -- and not merely in the well-known 'free money' sense, but also in that the ~only exports are 'intellectual property' racket, which rides on usg's patent enforcement shakedown
mircea_popescu has in time become very partial to the solution for northern climes. "just pretend house is mfg plant, and that's why there must be a thick dong suspended under roof."
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:09 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: blackzilla is enjoying the seasonal weather more than i'm enjoying the seasonal smoke. being downwind of the massive bc fires isn't doing wonders for the ol' respiratory tract. (waking up coughing, etc.) . needless to say i've a newfound appreciation for the sorry denizens of chinese mega-cities. it's one of those "you never know what you've got until it's gone" (tm) things
mircea_popescu: moreover, explain. what DOES make such a new member in good standing ? trinque goes riding through poor neighbourhood, sees fetching negress, goes "hey ho! wanna be my slave ?" she goes "Sure loverboy". he takes her home, wipes her laptop and installs tmsr os. next you know it, black chix code.
asciilifeform: bayonet is not making a new wot member in good standing. it is pest control.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in principle the problem is, nothing tmsr does can possibly be anything but straight weapon of "us against them". it is a terrorist organisation after all.
mircea_popescu: this is observably true, in history : the proposition that "it's a great idea to live above your means" was the proximate cause of "french revolution" and every other socialist attack on money hence ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well, at time t they each purport to run a software. at time t1, they observably both run the same software. some patching went on. who ?
asciilifeform: but who else gives a shit
mircea_popescu: maybe he finally marries. girl does a little bit of wearing push up bras for a year or so... and then for the rest of their natural lives they tvkids.
mircea_popescu: so, suppose a greatly respected dom dood hangs out by the highschool, and soft talks a girl studying there into coming along to the bdsm club.
mircea_popescu: so : there obviously is such a thing as "mainstream society". people meet, get married, have kids watch tv whatever. there ALSO is such a thing as "a bdsm community".
mircea_popescu: let us take a very lengthy detour if you'll indulge me.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i have a definition, but the afore-the-fact grates.
mircea_popescu: well if l1 ends up as a skirt to hide inca into that'd be one sad fucking outcome.
mircea_popescu: yes, because you have in your head a rigid model of a specific thing. but you see, l1 is not defined afore the fact. l1 is WHAT EMERGES from this process, whatever it may be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a broken model.
asciilifeform: just as no diff bw a tennis ball and moon
asciilifeform: to a topologist - maybe none
mircea_popescu: if i ask the owner of machine A to write me a bubblesort or write abada on his tits or whatever ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
asciilifeform: this is a mega-problem -- an entire field went to the grave because it was not able to solve it.
asciilifeform: describe a model of computation that is 1) usefully complete -- can carry out actual work 2) is substantially non-brittle - i.e. flipping 20% of the bits results in something that is only, say, 20% away from, but still recognizable as the original performer, rather than liquishit
asciilifeform: fwiw cured me of 'this great unsolved problem is merely a small misconception everyone in the field merely happened to suffer from'
mircea_popescu: i hold this is a sore misperception.
mircea_popescu: there's less optionality in nature. if you need a GABA, you will use... GABA. that's it. most software problems of comparable complexity allow multiple solutions.
mircea_popescu: i really don't give a shit what anyone wants.
mircea_popescu: back to the topic : the idea is to have properly arranged owned boxes. this will include gossipd as a basis, uci on top of that if the OWNer opts to, bitcoind on top of that likely, a devenv, whatever.
mircea_popescu: take that away, let them learn how to use a tmsr computer or do without a computer at all.
mircea_popescu: then he'll be stuck waiting for a new hdd.
asciilifeform: he dun have a his
mircea_popescu: phf ikr ? seems the most placid obviousness to me somehow. i must be a little odd.
mircea_popescu: if you OWN a box, you first set it up.
phf: what a beautiful idea
mircea_popescu: and yes, he's more than welcome to take a hammer at it / take it back to winapple shop to "have it fixed" (and it will be, and then re-fixed and so on)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would it be "mirceapopescu os" ? it's just a sane os. he can say hi in gossipd.
mircea_popescu: but like i just said ? if you end up owning a machine with crap installed, what do you do ? wipe the crap, install a sane os and continue.
asciilifeform: this doesn't magically become a description of a working scheme, by mircea_popescu stating so
mircea_popescu: whether server A im talking to i'm talking so it adds 2 and 2 for me, or gives me a new friend, or shoots a missile, is not a part of design consideration.
mircea_popescu: but yes -- the standard here is that at no point will you know (or care!) whether box A is box A or box E.
mircea_popescu: "sure, prop a door."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is not distinguishable. but he can make a key and build identity
asciilifeform: i do not know of a solution to this presently
mircea_popescu: but -- the fact that A happens to already have a connection to B and therefore B can S for him does not imply or require either A or B be not behind a nat. ☟︎
asciilifeform: there is a separate problem pertaining to uci, that does not reduce strictly to 'nat problem'
mircea_popescu: any C could at any point be a S or not be a S (and because of encryption observer can't even tell which it is)
mircea_popescu: this is not what i see. what i see is that you have a list of C1..n machines ; some of which are included arbitrarily in a list of S1...j and some of which are not.
asciilifeform: my objection is that the star topology does not go away by virtue of being called something else. you have a class of fully-capable nodes, S, that can accept unsolicited pipes; and a much larger class of P ( lessay, peons ), behind NAT, who cannot. ergo stars.
mircea_popescu: and yes the fact that the list of S must be at least a dozen different lists and each a grosse long is why we can't do this arbitrarily early.
asciilifeform: i'll point out that i do not know of a different recipe than mircea_popescu's ( and in fact is same used by 'skype' and various heathens , for many years. )
mircea_popescu: back to it -- once A knows what ip B is at and B knows what ip A is at, they can exchange crafter packets to the point of parlaying it into an established connection. in order to find these, they both rely on their peers. if they have no peers, they don't properly speaking exist, and an angel from above in the shape of a tmsr lord will have to bless them with the spark of life.
asciilifeform: sorta as british admiral answered 'boil the ocean' to 'is there a solution to uboat'
asciilifeform: depends what you're doing, neh. if you're a cicada looking for a fuck -- worx
mircea_popescu: it is NOT A THING.
mircea_popescu: this is neither a solution nor a problem nor something fit for discussion.
mircea_popescu: a better world for computers where the rapist-racism of needing someone to introduce you has been resolved is truly not in any way different than the same re people.
mircea_popescu: there's no other way socialisation works than by introduction. this is not a problem. you are welcome to approach it, but you will be wasting your time.
asciilifeform: this is == to sina's 'you used gpg yesterday, why is using it tomorrow a problem'
mircea_popescu: if i put up a box my S list will look nothing like yours.
asciilifeform: it is a problem in the same way as it is for trb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is only a problem in the sense of "i have decided to not work today so i can't"
mircea_popescu: ". A aiming to connect to B or vice-versa for any reason is accomplished through : A asks C for an ip for B. C provides A with ip for B and B with notification of A's request (at the least, its ip)." << A sends C a request. C sends A an ip for B and B an ip for A. both B and A start broadcasting at each other fixed packets until the conn is established.
asciilifeform: the problem -- and it IS a problem -- is that cold bootup, for ~any~ node, requires knowing a working S.
mircea_popescu: and will discover peers and act as a peer beacon for others and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:50 mircea_popescu: you have nodes N1...Nn all behind a nat. Server S popus up and connects them in pairs such that no Ni is without at least one peer. Server S dies. The whole N1..Nn remains connected forever, notwithstanding how any NjNk connections may die.