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mircea_popescu: from the little actual i've seen, dude's just a very serious engineer type of the 70s, entirely unequipped to deal with the metrosexual fucktards of the 90s
asciilifeform: i have several convos like this, and consider them strictly 'psychiatrically' interesting
mircea_popescu: i'm aware.
asciilifeform: the usual asciilifeform : 'i intend to reverse and publicly rape all bolix intellectualprowhateverthefucks' d00d: 'atrocity! but do you not fear and worry ! but nsa! ' etc
asciilifeform: i have that one.
asciilifeform: i actually have an older version of that thing, bought by mistake
asciilifeform: i saw some of each and willing to 'sign under this' .
phf: fwiw i never did experience that whole formulaic writing thing (though i know there were all kinds of other cases of "tattoos for the mind"), my russian/literature/foreign literature classes were brutal, i still have nightmares of cramming poetry last moment, 2-3 hours essay sessions that never seem to end, the three giant Yuri Lotman books
mircea_popescu: hey, i recall when this was being discussed on trilema in the future tense! what was it, coupla years ago ?
asciilifeform: i got some distance to go before would undertake * -> ro
mircea_popescu: wait, you mean ro to en ? i was thinking en to ro.
asciilifeform: i can already eat maybe 1 in 3 articles without making hilarious mistake -- looking to get useful with spoken ro
asciilifeform: not nearly as 'sporty', i think, as mircea_popescu's language method -- i've no meat people who speak anything useful in range
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694872 << interestingly, not so long ago i was working through an old german textbook from su era -- it had this ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose the moral being, we're going to see ever more waiters who read the log for i-log-ical purposes in teh futures. and, the imbecile (aka narcissist in ballas' terminology) being more dedicated to the preservation of the malfunctioning "self" he already has, they'll just run off the moment that dun work, to either try [the same stupid shit] again later or not dare to try again [ie, proclaim some sort of incomprehensible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's kinda the thing, they self-flatteringly imagine i ended up here cuz i fell from a pot, not because i can see through them like so much glass beads.
asciilifeform: the point re 'inserting equalitis' was spot on, i immediately pictured d00d's picture of mircea_popescu as wanderer with a sack tied to a stick , 'wandering because lost'
mircea_popescu: "oh, there's 5bn things that could be said and 3bn moo moos saying things, well, i'll be better served to "differentiate" myself from the herd by saying things according to how few others are saying them, than according to the things said"
asciilifeform: lol i only read the 1st segment
mircea_popescu: i don't suppose either him or bitcoin or anything else talked about is related to the piece. the whole item is matt levine being his usual judische insolence self, whereby he imagines he can talk out his ass and he won't hang for it because "someone had to say the alternative thing".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun know much re the case, other than how the d00d was a master troll , 1st class ( bought some famous artsy piece of shit just to burn it, iirc, had a twatter where he bragged about demolishing various derps, etc)
mircea_popescu: i'm not enough of an expert on stupid-theatre to be able to say if this is fair or not to teh kabuki.
mircea_popescu: maybe, if that's what you mean by it. i always interpreted it to mean "fixed form resulting through exhaustion of alternative by an ancient, methodical culture". whereas generally fixed form is arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: no, because i mean fixed form not fixed structure.
mircea_popescu: dun think i ever saw the specific one.
shinohai: I thought the caek was a lie.
mircea_popescu: i guess im making caek.
phf: this is turning very much into "how i spent my summer" essay
phf: so to revise the original point, markets create additional conditions under which higher payoff is obtained through cooperation in a situation of conflicting interests. though i'm not quite sure how that applies in the drowning situation, since it's missing the whole exchange of resources
phf: well, those things that i brought up, kinship, religion, they are part of identity. "he's not my brother i won't go out on a limb" vs "my life's not my own, god told me to help even if i die".
phf: smooth, i suppose you could say that a raider wouldn't make a choice to trade, likewise trader doesn't necessarily have the inclination for raiding
phf: i suppose that's the point of prisoner's dilemma, it establishes simple example of such conflict
phf: ok, i'm convinced of "cooperation is what happens anyway". now i think that it doesn't work with conflicting interests. save person from river, potentially drown yourself kind of situation. or trade with them with smaller payoff, kill them and take their stuff for higher payoff.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly alf -- teh russkis came up with the following item : a 20 ton truck with two engines, one powering the left side wheels, the other powering the right side wheels. i thought you should know.
phf: i understand the reversal (and it's a neat one) but i don't see how it's supported by anything but itself. you're basically saying that "oh someone's drowning, that's not my brother, fuck im" is what's happening, where's i'm saying "nothing's happening of note, oh it's my brother drowning! i should help him" is what's happening
phf: but i'm not even sure if kinship and cooperation are similar nature of happen. does kinship promote cooperation as it's only source, but then you can do mental tricks to extend kinship beyond actual kin to likewise extend cooperation?
phf: hmm, i'm saying that market is one of the ways to encourage cooperation, where one wouldn't necessarily exist otherwise; there are other better ways, kinship, religion, king/leviathan
mircea_popescu: i mean, "advanced" folk can't get a carpool to work, whereas "backwards" folk can drop a supernumerary child with the first woman/gaggle of children they run into, and it'll work out. "here, take this, i'll take it back tonight".
mircea_popescu: if your notion of cooperation excludes reproduction you'll have to define it somehow because i'm not sure i know what it means thne.
phf: i think that's competing ideologies setting conflicting goals
mircea_popescu: consider the case of kitty genovese ; or else a more general, abstracted point : you go into a field where men are working, in a rural, traditional, thereby market-clean setting, and i dunno, sayu a man is drowned in the river and ask for help. they will cooperate, won't they ? whereas if there's a market going they'll go... "go talk to the market-specialist, we're not in that line of work", yes ?
phf: i wasn't actually thinking to the west, i was treating soviet union as a self-contained system. the point i was trying to make is that (and this is all very RANDian) in the absence of a market graph you needed an alternative mechanism to encourage cooperation, which in this case was the propaganda system "real soviet man does X" etc.
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact kgb had chuka defection directorate because hey, during the groznii siege all the signals folk involved had "experience in the problem".
phf: it's in the statement of the prisoner's dilemma, "defect" to the hypothetical inquisitors by betraying the other prisoner (i know that the terminology used introduces interesting connotations within the soviet regime, but i don't think that's the intent)
phf: i understand the point though, my understanding that i haven't evaluated in a while was that soviet were attempting to solve prisoners dilemma by training "a soviet man". brain tattooing makes sense in that respect, though my interpretation is generous to the goals
BingoBoingo: [1] Thesis, introduce points 1, 2, and 3 [2] Elaborate Point 1 [3] Elaborate Point 2 [4] Elaborate Point 3 [5] Conclusion, i.e. repeat thesis and reiterate points 1, 2, and 3
mircea_popescu: i'm aware. complexity in us world has been dropping abruptly in mainstream terms. teh people can no longer support an actually deliberative senate.
phf: i'm not sure, i went to "humanities special school" it's possible they didn't torture us with such nonsense
mircea_popescu: this is the problem -- we do SO MANY things. "oh i'm a father and an employee of the month", says the office plankton. well... also a consumer, and a sayer of VERY finely tuned nonsense. wut now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he slid over the floor at the rate and in the manner of a tiny tumbleweed being blown by wind a coupla days ago. i jumped up because wtf, tiny tumbleweeds blown by wind ??!?!
mircea_popescu: (i confess i've been studying fucking geckos.)
mircea_popescu: ie, "for its purpose" it has easily > 10mn dpi. but for your purpose, i doubt it has a functional .2 dpi.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they're fabulous, the little shits. you know they actually change color, BUT NOT in the "oh, i have an ipad, i get how this works" thing ? they're not gonna display fucking sluts on their backs. but it CLEARLY works for the purpose (camouflage) shockingly well.
phf: i ran out of the thought half way through and hoped you wouldn't notice, but it's not even consistent with the narrative that i was ripping from. in the original after they make the tattoo they are now ready for the highest office, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: i inevitably think of the automummificators, reading this
mircea_popescu: i don't see why they'd retire.
phf: it's funny because by the time tattoo crazy started there was already enough old people with tattoos that both had the almost uniform "i made terrible mistakes" attitude and very much were self-evident personification of the sentiment. and then i guess there was a new generation planning on never getting old (or changing in any way)
mircea_popescu: no, i get the idea.
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: i met people with horrid tat who made it specifically to close off life of being office plankton
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, thats very specifically what i mean. oh, "She's a munition" ? what context is it in. woman is on the toilet taking a crap. is she a munition ? is it cool ?
asciilifeform: dunno, the rsaperl-cum-'i am a munition' tat was almost cool
mircea_popescu: i confess i never understood the tattoo bs.
mircea_popescu: i am not specifically informed ; but from common business sense looking at the cashflows, that contract was terminated in 2015.
phf: oh i was just experimenting with a different setup, try to see what fits and how, and how big is the footprint, that sort of thing
phf: i put a 2-person tent in the middle of the room and it made the room suffocating, yes
phf: mircea_popescu: i like to make that joke, because it makes me feel better about my tiny apartment
asciilifeform: i was frankly disappointed when i learned he already has too many dec alpha
phf: i think tron has a hoarding problem, i told him as much, but he really wants to keep those 36xx running in perpetuity
phf: i mean, it's guy's personal ebay account
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 22:52 asciilifeform: ( i keep pretty much every intermediate step of just about every computation i ever do, because hell knows )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694672 << muchly depends. if the office is the usual usian horror, and the casino floor is the item from glamour shots, with the floozies and the hookers and so on, definitely. but the casino floor can be pretty depressing, especially in fucking arkansaw. and the office can be a total insoutenable legerete de l'etre style hospital, especially in eastern europe 1990s "media" or whatever "i'm ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i have roots everywhere.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694676 << same thing they ran out of in iraq/afghanistan etc. i'd say "men" but it's not really it. you could say "people" but certainly not it. you know, non-retarded, non-gender-confused etc etc human beings. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. item where some other party holds -- or claims to hold -- the privkey )
asciilifeform: ( i keep pretty much every intermediate step of just about every computation i ever do, because hell knows ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694653 << i did neither, but used existing press dir, from when i had pressed this on linux box ☝︎
asciilifeform: and it not merely pisses but shits on gpl, the thing cannot be turned into an actual linux, and actual linux (i.e. without massive blobage) is STILL unsolved problem on that box
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694638 << iirc i even mentioned it in the logs ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694628 << i took that train, it was respectably full ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694570 << mircea_popescu that looks great, i'ma turn the knob shortly. ☝︎
mod6: Anyway, I'm guessing that you did. As long as you have all of the 0.5.4-RELEASE patches/seals/keys you should be fine. you could be correct about some of the alterations for locks not taking on the bsd-side.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 04:40 mod6: Second, I'm not sure how you want to make a Cuntoo out of BSD... we should revisit that later.
mod6: <+trinque> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694394 << portage will sit down on BSD. I plopped it onto openbsd sometime earlier this year. << interesting. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 04:39 mod6: I'd like to get to the bottom of this!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694393 << it's most likely deep in the bowels of bsd-bdb interactions. << ah yeah, maybe so. I recall digging into this on the bsd side. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i had nfi it existed in 2010.
mircea_popescu: (we're not going to even go in discussions of low pressure airflow, which is a horror the wide-eyed proponents are not intellectually equipped to consider ; let's just simply talk in terms of "i can't get a plumber to fuck my wife the same week but i'll somehow get together workers willing to dig a ditch so and so long".)
mats: usg has generously provided musk with truckloads of cash, so, i find it probable he's not full of shit
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what these folk are sniffing, but it must be some sort of heavily psychotropic mold infected their conference centers.
mircea_popescu: wait i thought they were doing it on west coast ?
mircea_popescu: so i wouldn't worry -- the only way this happens is if the chinese do a us-equivalent of their plan to colonize europe, and front the coupla trillion needed.
mats: i look forward to seeing 'hyperloop' in production, this should accelerate the death of vast road networks in usa
mats: heh, i wrote GRIDS but really meant AIDS
mircea_popescu: ask the author, or generally any "city planner" what are the wrong assumptions they hid in the nonsense ? they'll look at you like you're from mars. yet... 1. all people = all other people. there's exactly 0 concept of social hierarch. 2. all people == spherical cpus in a vacuum. really bitch, i'll keep track of your stupid grids, and CONNECT ? i'm not fucking connecting lol, wtf do i care where the bus is at.
mircea_popescu: but that was the glamor : "honey, you don't suck cock because you can't, not because you don't want to ; but even if you sucked cock, and even if you were extremely good at it, it'd still take you months to manage what i can do overnight if i fucking feel like it".
mats: i can see that
mircea_popescu: lmao i was thinking, since when the fuck do indians care about stench.
mats: i believe even top-tier pros struggle to do 50/hr consistently just grinding games - the real money is in tournaments
mats: its a fantasy ofc, everybody catches a bad beat sooner or later - but on a good day over ten hours i might hit 25-30/hr