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asciilifeform: this is sorta like saying 'there is no such thing as strength of materials'
adlai: there may not be any such thing as "beauty", but "sexual selection" exists
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there's "beauty"
asciilifeform: no such thing as magnetism.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "intelligence".
mircea_popescu: but honestly while there are intelligent people trying, i think it's a snipe hunt.
asciilifeform: see eysenck's works for intro to subject.
asciilifeform: as well as other factors (reaction time, even)
asciilifeform: they don't define it, normally. but they deduced a statistical item, called 'G', which is the overall correlation between the various tests in use
adlai: or rather, what attributes do they usually measure?
asciilifeform: incidentally, watson's 'public goatfuck' statement is not the least bit controversial among the actual psychometrics folks.
asciilifeform: with elaborate gentlemen's agreements among the participants to keep the field out of the line of fire
asciilifeform: found that intelligence test design ('psychometry') was still a going concern
asciilifeform: was in the process of revealing what was useful.
mircea_popescu: anything useful ? other than socially i mezn
asciilifeform: wanted to see where the hard limit is.
mircea_popescu: "ten youths from downtown accidentally construct the godmachine
mircea_popescu: i can see the newspaper titles
asciilifeform: naturally the very concept of sitting down and solving a picture puzzle is learnable. this was clear to me. but i wanted a kind of 'carnot engine limit' of unlearnability.
mircea_popescu: wait, an unlearnable test of intelligence ?
asciilifeform: they won't cross-publish to 'big, mainstream' journals. have own ghetto.
mircea_popescu: lmao this is the most idiotic thing i ever heard
asciilifeform: this was a fool's errand, but in the process, i ended up lifting the lid on an entire 'secret' field of psychometry
asciilifeform: for this to work, the problems on the test were to have been mechanically-generated but sufficiently varied that you will never see the same 'kind' particularly often
asciilifeform: like strength test
asciilifeform: 'can't train' as in, you could, idea being, take it every morning, and get a useful result re: your mental state on that day
asciilifeform: that is, a mechanized intelligence test that the victim 'can't train for'
asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice' ☟︎
adlai: "ability of a brain/computer to model, predict, etc external processes"
adlai: ... and why is there no usable definition for intelligence?
asciilifeform: engineer may not know or give a fuck how magnetism is made of spins, but will use magnet all the same to good effect
asciilifeform: incomplete - sure. it's more a set of engineering formulae than a total philosophy.
mircea_popescu: and "culinary science" is the sort of nonsense you'd expect ou tof english speakers. otherwise l'arte culinaire isdoing fine
mircea_popescu: i can see that
asciilifeform: mactardism is a very visual field. it doesn't account much for function << complicated. apple corp. is still running on fumes from a gigantic tank of back-when-everything-else-was-a-joke in a number of palpable ways. see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
asciilifeform: sorta how culinary science is plagued by disputes of taste but toxicology is a field.
asciilifeform: there's no fucking usable definition of intelligence << there are, however, accurate and usable definitions of... stupidity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the deal breaker for me. i actually run the monitors at about 50% gamma. << i did get it down to 30% or so. would've liked even less - while retaining contrast. simply to avoid... baking.
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adlai: something something river twice?
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it's giving different numbers to diff people.
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mircea_popescu: the two do kind-of match.
mircea_popescu: " The public schools are intended to create complacent "good citizens"—not independent thinkers—because political leaders do not like boat-rockers who question things too closely. They prefer citizens who pay their taxes on time and leave them alone to chart the course of the nation. The growth in government power since the advent of public schools is hard to ignore."
badon: Yes, I'm doing that now.
mircea_popescu: you can do this in pm with it too.
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badon: Ah, there we go. I had gribble on ignore.
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nubbins`: eventually someone's not going to notice you were -v'd :P
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badon: All the cool enameled art in that article is from the East. All the Crayola kiddie enamel is from Europe, haha.
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badon: Check out the Byzantine enamel, versus the Chinese enamel photos --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9
badon: I compared what Europe was producing in the 11th century with what China was producing, and it's pathetic. You have to wonder if Europeans collectively decided to be retarded for a thousand years.
badon: nubbins`: In 500 years - heck, in 80 years, most of that stuff will be broken. The surviving specimens will be the proverbial "Ming vaaaaz".
nubbins`: weighted down with shit like that
nubbins`: you should see the mantles in my mother's house
nubbins`: yup. the town's full of that stuff.
badon: nubbins`: Wow, those Icheon ceramics are amazing. Check this one out: http://www.jstudentboard.com/reporter/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/JSR_Nov23_01_CERAMICS1.jpg
nubbins`: occasionally you'll find people afraid to offer a rare coin for sale
badon: It has a mintage of 200 for the silver version, and only around 10 specimens are known to have survived so far. More will probably show up as time goes by, but $4000 price tag did not bring any new ones to the market, which is strong evidence most of them are either melted or permanently in someone's collection.
badon: A lot of people got that wrong too.
mircea_popescu: "Organised crime groups continue to make use of darknets to harbour trading in illicit commodities, including child exploitation material, illicit drugs and firearms, stolen credit card and identity data, and hacking techniques." << check it out, hacking techniques the illicit item ?
badon: I was wrong. The "museum" is actually the Emperor's palace, also known as "the forbidden city".
badon: I thought it was a museum gift shop thing.
badon: nubbins`: The silver version I sold for $1200. A few months later the specimen was back on the market, and it sold for $4'000!
badon: nubbins`: Check this out, this is typical of a relatively unknown coin that can pop in value really quickly: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574935034&toolid=10001&campid=5336732290&customid=&icep_item=201226509197&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg
nubbins`: there's a couple hundred common ones that most koreans know
badon: I love that stuff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hardphork! << i never applied that, no sympthoms. so no, not a fork at all.
nubbins`: went there for a big pottery festival
badon: Korea was part of China in ancient times, due to proximity, so it makes sense they would have some impressive enameling technology.
nubbins`: there was this one town i visited, it's all anyone did
badon: nubbins`: Oh yeah, the pottery enamel is famous.
nubbins`: i saw some sick enamelling when i was in korea too
mircea_popescu: kinda late to the party today
mircea_popescu: i imagine the time to stock up on chinese memorabilia was right before the great leap forward.
badon: They probably sold it for 50 cents in the 1980's, haha.
badon: IN that case, it's on a box, not a coin, but it's ridiculously intricate. Something like that in the West would cost a thousand bucks just for the box.
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nubbins`: yeah the canadian mint did a series of Great Lakes coins where the lake bed was carved out of the coin, and filled with translucent blue enamel
badon: The started out by "colorizing" with really crapping printing techniques. People thought they were ugly, and didn't buy them. Today, the ugly ones are more valuable than the pretty ones because they're rarer.
nubbins`: i've been trying to find these coins forever, to no avail: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/silver-crystal-zodiac-collection-2013-prod1840076#.VH28eGTF8Yc
badon: nubbins`: China mastered enamel in ancient times - and I mean truly MASTERED it. I saw some enamel work that I mistook for being modern, but it was ancient.
badon: nubbins`: They copied the Chinese enamel.
nubbins`: they have some coins that are actually painted w/ enamel that are nicer
nubbins`: tbh the cmyk-printed coins don't look great up-close
nubbins`: their tree canopy ones are okay
mircea_popescu: do you mean "value that would be present in any unverse which allows for bitcoin" ? or do you mean "value which would be present in this X thing whether it be bitcoin or not"
badon: I collected them for a while.
badon: They used to make some nice stuff.