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mircea_popescu: they came up with "smart phones" ? fuck them, i never upgraded, i still use actual phones. samsung is jumping over backwards to supply the market. they cost nothing. etc.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to. << What happened was Microsoft's "Let's mimic the Auto Industries idea of the Model Year" won even if MS could not execute on it
mircea_popescu: but that ended a few years back, and "upgrade" is headed right into the "please install our browser toolbar extension" and "act now!" bin.
mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to.
mircea_popescu: this idea that "we'll gavin all over the blockchain technology and everyone will follow" is out of a holywood movie. not how reality works.
mircea_popescu: half a cent a pill, indian factories dedicated to its preservation in amber.
mircea_popescu: wake me up sometime when i care. i've been using sulfmetoxazole forever, and i intend to continue.
mircea_popescu: fuck, for that matter, this thing is universal. so the us only makes "high performance" bullshit antibiotics of doom these days ?
BingoBoingo: If I sound grumpy, it is only because I have come across too many idiots of the "it can't be done" persuasion lately, the kind of managers who have an aquarium in their office because fifteen brains think better than one.
mircea_popescu: there's about five of them.,
mircea_popescu: so you get twice the clock, and i get two of them. sure, there are SOME problems that are provably unsplittable.
mircea_popescu: but can you grasp that 2 x1 = 1 x2 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2008 processor << can get ~2x the clock now. i fully grasp that for your application - there is no reason whatsoever to do this.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's a fine theory an' all, but i don't see it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it sucks, he'll do worse than you << find naggum's piece on how 'market can only tackle one dimension of multidimensional analysis.' yes, other fellow will fold the protein faster, while running poetteringisms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am at this very moment running a 64 GB amd-a8 quad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it << to some extent, the problem i spoke of is a 'two strong oxen' problem. need shared memory.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't do worse than you, that's a prime signal that you're insane.
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of "it sucks".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it sucks, he'll do worse than you.
mircea_popescu: seems 1905 steel girder bridges still work just fine, and yes you can do anything you want done on 486s. heck, it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it than it is to buy the monolithic "custom made" tool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it sucks you don't update << and lose the contract to the fellow who isn't trying to fold protein on 486.
mircea_popescu: you don't HAVE TO update anything, and if it sucks you don't update.
mircea_popescu: that's the only important thing about technology.
mircea_popescu: every step of the way of technology is sound and can be rested upon.
mircea_popescu: i don't see you got too far.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was trying to disagree, logically, with 'we can simply preserve in amber hardware from golden age and use that for everything'
mircea_popescu: in fact, it has nothing to do with no kiddo.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the issue should be addressed irrespective of how obnoxious X kiddo is.
undata: asciilifeform: oh I don't know, the others don't look particularly hospitable
nubbins`: planet 2's too sultry
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm more or less wasting life just by having the misfortune to be parked on planet 3 in 2014. this is quite clear.
mircea_popescu: the BPs of this world do not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends which. the oil prospectors that make money do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except the world broke since naggum wrote this. not even the oil prospectors write custom os now.
mircea_popescu: if the problem exists it's a prime indicator you're wasting your life.
mircea_popescu: so... if what you do is a good idea, this sort of problem can't possibly exists.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly. where the fuck is that link.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's to keep you ?
mircea_popescu: iirc there's a naggum on this topic.
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt they actually use poettering stuff either, but what do i know
asciilifeform: leaving for a moment aside my own piles of junk metal - folks embroiled in scientific computing are inevitably doomed to use modern hardware. they cannot, economically, freeze in time and live in 2008 (or whenever) for eternity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically you're running your own metal which you don't want to colo because you figure it's actually cheaper in your own house sort of thing ?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i were to rent hardware, would have to do most of the management work personally on account of massive existing toolchain crud.
mircea_popescu: trying to peg you into one or the other here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said afore, " you'd have to be insane to use rented hardware oyu manage yourself. either colo your own metal or else have the fucking dc handle it if you don't give a shit"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i checked, rented gpu was not worth the cost. but say i did. then i get: the very same modern hardware... just - rented.
mircea_popescu: now suppose the major cost of the icecream truck wasn't icecream, but... windshield wiper.
mircea_popescu: but both of these make sense from a business perspective.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from a 'business perspective' very few of the things folks do to survive make sense. ice cream truck will not make the owner rich. nor the knife sharpener in buenos aires.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and actually renting stuff like amzon offers is not cheaper than what you're currently doing ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no dc. we're talking about a handful of boxes in a cheapo office. if any more, must have dc cage, then nothing left to eat.
mircea_popescu: but you see how from a business perspective this makes no sense ? the hardware's the biggest cost. in any and all dcs ever since the world begun.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: visit more threadbare pauper's shops made of shoelace and bamboo
mircea_popescu: there is a lot terribly wrong with the picture you paint. i've yet to see this wonder where support costs more than the hardware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: two 0 old cpus are faster than a 0 modern << not for molecular dynamics sim. need fast shared memory. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can only afford a few dozen chickens before 'bracket' rises (cost of next tier of floor space, cooling, begin to dwarf the machines)
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : two $10 old cpus are faster than a $50 modern cpu.
mircea_popescu: so there's no 1k chickens where you live ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you haven't even heard the rest of the fun. at my other job, also stuck with maximally modern hw. because how many floating point ops per second determines, more or less directly, how we're paid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, entertain me here. so what happens if you use 2010 hardware with older linux instals is that what, your shit moves slower ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the single biggest hog in my butcher shop.
mircea_popescu: somehow i imagine what the us agency of redhat is trying to solve is exactly your problem,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only winblows, though. but it's the 'heaviest' victim.
mircea_popescu: poettering should be good news for you then - soon enough you won't need an emulator at all.)
mircea_popescu: (kinda weird how the "stuck with windowsy linux" discussion denegerated into a "because i need to run windows".
mircea_popescu: i just never ran into this sort of edge myself. i guess count it as a blessing an' move on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in car trunk, and it has to have room for six fire extinguishers.
mircea_popescu: well this sounds like a fucking curse on the level of, "must have sex in my car trunk, no matter what"
mircea_popescu: and you gotta run the winblows in an emulator on a physical laptop ?
asciilifeform: did try to explain. winblows in emulator, for instance. i'm a 'reverse-engineer.'
mircea_popescu: but does not fit in the "what 2010 laptops allowed"
mircea_popescu: something's amiss with this picture tho. i find it hard to believe that you need a lot of computing that is a) physically in your lap and b) exactly fits within the seeming arbitrary constriction of "what 2014 laptops allow"
mircea_popescu: im not sure why you want to run 2014 hw at all. but whatever, maybe i don't do enough hi res porn conversion on a laptop to care ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> on account of my profession, i occasionally do things like booting up winblows in an emulator. << actually last i did that it was on... ubuntu!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i tried to explain, recent hardware means, inevitably, either recent kernel, or laborious pick-and-choose driver vivisection.
mircea_popescu: finding a fucking nat router that's not backdoored by design is a fucking hassle as it is.
mircea_popescu: it's not like simply ignoring pottering forces one to any sort of anything. so you run 2005 linux on 2010 hardware. you probably don't want the modern crapolade for any serious purpose anyway,
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mircea_popescu: no but look, linux only went braindamaged this decade.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was explaining why doomed to recent hardware!
mircea_popescu: the cpu instruction set changed or something ? it's the same thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cannot, much as i'd love to, use 486, or bk-0011, or handmade pdp-11 in fpga.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm missing something here, but, why do you think you can't run "max" whatever they are on older debians ?
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asciilifeform: on account of my profession, i occasionally do things like booting up winblows in an emulator. on what would mircea do this? 486?
midnightmagic: it has an fpga onboard, (almost) no firmware except perhaps for the sdd. it's free-ish
asciilifeform: jurov: i even know what mircea will say now - that poor choice of profession, should instead drill for oil in the north atlantic, or fight in syria.
asciilifeform: jurov: he also doesn't strictly have to leave home. or do work.
jurov: mircea has slaves to carry boxen around
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember, this is a box i have to actually live with.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stupid << answer then. i requisitioned portable comp, could have asked for anything. should have asked for 486? with 640x480 lcd ?
mircea_popescu: i can't even be bothered to count all the ways that's stupid. wtf.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck takes any electronics from their job is so stupid shouldn't get to live anyway.
mircea_popescu: uh. if you have servers you'd have to be insane to use rented hardware oyu manage yourself. either colo your own metal or else have the fucking dc handle it if you don't give a shit.