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mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, given
that intelligence is
to be measured in
tsyans,
mircea_popescu: i guess we progressed past
the classical philosophy of either rome or
the east. a well.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, intelligent people want
to go a direction ?
mircea_popescu: "I seem
to be doing a lot of hyperproductive
things lately: explaining
to people how
to kill
the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing
the way English literacy is
taught
to both native English speakers and
the rest"
mircea_popescu: anyway,
thus understood, you will find
that a woman
trained
to be intelligent, irrespective of iq, is quite
to your liking, whereas one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable.
mircea_popescu: same reason braided rope is stronger
than straight rope.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather
than compound.
mircea_popescu: one can
train
to build muscle by himself. one can also
train
to comprehend
the
torah by oneself.
mircea_popescu: what
the fuck do you
think intelligence is other
than
the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in
the psychocrosstalk ?
mircea_popescu: what else ? first you gotta
teach her
to rule over her emotions,
then gotta
teach her
the modes of logical failure of
teh brain, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: as a result,
there's nothing fucking scarier
than
the former known
to man.
mircea_popescu: the difference is
that
the first's entirely negative (don't do
this. don't do
that. don't do
the other. do something) while
the latter's entirely positive. (do like
this and like
this and so on)
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why people readily imagine
training a woman
to
think with whip in hand and
training a woman
to dance whip in hand are
the same
thing.
mircea_popescu: same
thing, for
the exact reason you don't see much reading on
tv.
mircea_popescu: to
the ignorant,
there's little difference between circus seal being
trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page.
mircea_popescu: much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where
the fuck
the control key is and how
to make pretty letters on
the screen.
mircea_popescu: dressage has
the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english
mircea_popescu: i
think
this pejorative usage is novel, and not really all
that standard yet.
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is
the common practice is us business
to use
the word 'training' when
they mean 'education'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if
trained as in what a strong man in a circus does
to get strong -
then, yes,
trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest.
mircea_popescu: no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die
trying.
mircea_popescu: well so if all your intelligence is in fact
trained,
then what are ye bitching about.
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of
those blinky geomaps, and
the only blinky spot is in argentina.
BingoBoingo: 4-5 prolly. But yeah. May have
to concede
this point
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 15:10:06; asciilifeform:
this is a subject
that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost
two years of spare
time working on what
turned out
to be 'fried ice'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many women do you know
that could do
this ? and, importantly, out of
these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ?
BingoBoingo: Enough varied "trainable" questions
though might approximate a
test. Approximation probably necessary because jungle conditions.
BingoBoingo: Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug
that could antigonize
the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter.
undata has learned
that asciilifeforms reproduce by dividing
mircea_popescu: kind bad example cause didn't we discuss
this here earlier ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure
trainable, yet... some fail
to rediscover after learning in kindergarden when skill is summoned for video
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform>
the easiest way
to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is
to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields)
to apprehend, and
then see how much explanation creature requires
to grasp it. << bulb battery wire?
assbot: How dare
the Eric Garner protestors dare
try
to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating
the birth a man who was murdered by
the state.
mircea_popescu: most of
the
things one identifies as intelligence in
the field is actually artfulness.
mircea_popescu: but you're not free, being alive, and in
that bound system you don't actually get enough elbow room
to really find out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll bet you you couldn't discern between a well
trained and an intelligent creature.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "through
the carrot", for elegance of form :D
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure
them, and find
that measures correlate
TomServo: How does beating relate
to eating?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Due
to a lack of beatings, I haven't yet learned Romanian.
TomServo: Is
there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?
undata: I
think
this is predicated on "beat everyone"
decimation: TomServo: do you graduate from having
to eat?
decimation: yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on
the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'
TomServo: mircea_popescu: no matter
the level of advancement, always beat?
decimation: hehe yeah asciilifeform
this guy has
to be in yudkowsky's orbit somehow