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asciilifeform: can. but try to avoid it.
BingoBoingo: Israel also for USian escapees also has the downside of being in orbit.
decimation: all sorts of elites in the US (including government leaders) send their kids to server in the isreali army
asciilifeform: generally the main attraction of israel - military service
BingoBoingo: decimation: That's the current strategy, but I'm tempted to take it to a jury next year finally
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha. probably don't even qualify as good cannon fodder these days.
BingoBoingo: But to seriously escape USia, even by land one needs a plan that cover not just the simple border crossing, but also the next hop to a candidate for a haven.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: equipment can be replaced, in theory. i can't leave because i'm of no use to anyone elsewhere.
BingoBoingo: Pending fucking misdemeanor disordely conduct charge which has been ongoing for quite some time.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: everything I've got to my name fits in two bags. I understand that ascii can't leave because of equipment, but that isn't the situation for most people.
BingoBoingo: Money is not the obstacle with passport.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: they're a couple hundred dollars.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: For reasonable definitions of fly, such that goal is permanent escape.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: you're too poor to fly?
decimation: I doubt anyone will stop you if you just walk across the mighty Rio Grande
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: right. so what I'm driving at is that one must make that destination himself.
PeterL: powered paraglider? Fits in the back of a pick-up, fly across border?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I think you severely overestimate my USD denominated holdings
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Opposite problem. Too polite.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Sinaloa and Los Zetas didn't grow themselves
PeterL: why not go the other way, through Canada?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I make efforts to acquire USD, but avoiding the honeytrap that is the drug business options are limited so I have a tent. Upon leaving with my budget first obstacle is the DEA's pet insecurity problem in Norther Mexico.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: come on. you're telling me that you can't set out for the promised land with 50k cash in your back pocket and be able to figure out some way to a) have bitcoin in the future and b) make enough USD now to live on?
BingoBoingo: Missouri to Indiana or Kentucky to Iowa are toll free
decimation: Illinois just wants to charge thru-travelers extra tax
decimation: actually I wouldn't mind tollways if roads were fully privatized
PeterL: Illinois has obnoxios tollways too
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Ah, but where to get USD outside of the bezzel!
decimation: PeterL: but the south side of chicago gets their reparations!
BingoBoingo: PeterL: The one good thing Illinois has are roads downstate... Unless they are under construction.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: You don't have to give up USD immediately if you leave the US.
PeterL: my in-laws live in illinois, they always complain about the high taxes and lack of any visibile benefit from paying said taxes
decimation: it's a good rule of thumb: states which require 'all-party' consent for recording are corrupt as hell
BingoBoingo: Unless one sufficiently accept the role of tame crank.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: A thing I am experiencing is when one rejects the local bezzel the local bezzel makes it hard to leave.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The only local police force called out by name in the UN indictment of the US human rights record? The Shitcago police department. http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/
PeterL: so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: this is however, a good thing. it will leave out the
PeterL: when leader dies, the longest serving council member becomes new leader
PeterL: current leader chooses people to fill vacancies in a 12 person council, those chosen serve for life
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: of course it isn't easy. building Israel into somewhere you might actually want to live wasn't easy.
PeterL: In response to the earlier talk of choosing a monarch, it made me think of the way the Mormon church chooses its leader:
decimation: lol apparently Illinois passed a law that makes it a felony to record a public official without consent
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I'm in the middle of the corral. As asciilifeform has mentioned earlier leaving is not easy.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: But if they do wake, where to go?
gabriel_laddel: "It's a shame that taxpayers have to be on the hook for the criminal actions of their "servants" but it's still good when citizens let police know that there will be some consequences for rights violations."
assbot: Illegitimate "No Photography" Arrest Leads to $1.2 Million Lawsuit Victory - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKd4jo )
decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/16/illegitimate-no-photography-arrest-leads << apparently the police arrested this woman and accused her of being a terrorist for the crime of taking a picture of a display-helicopter in a public place
gabriel_laddel: "no, baaah, not my laambs!" "I paid my baaah taxes!" *bleating continues*
gabriel_laddel: "before 'the sheeple wake'" hmmm... I'm sorta under the impression that they're not ever going to wake. the thing with sheep is that they get tend to get slaughtered. after 5-10 years of living the life of American cattle the brain starts to deteriorate from lack of use. threaten them an all you get is pathetic bleating.
asciilifeform: just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled
asciilifeform: thing is, reprieves are temporary
decimation: I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too
BingoBoingo thinks outlaw restaurants would be a decent theme for a trip around USia
asciilifeform: there will have to be perhaps a million confiscations, dekulakizations, before 'the sheeple wake'
asciilifeform: sad that the confiscation did not proceed;
asciilifeform: it floats around, in the vacuum, wandering.
asciilifeform: 'Deliberately keeping deposits below that threshold to avoid the reporting requirement is a crime (known as "structuring"), but Hinders was never charged with it. Instead federal prosecutors argued that her bank account had facilitated the crime of structuring, making it subject to civil forfeiture.' << lol!
assbot: Feds Graciously Agree Not to Steal Restaurateur's Bank Account - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/137FjI6 )
decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/feds-graciously-agree-not-to-steal-resta << "Federal prosecutors have stopped trying to steal $33,000 from an Iowa restaurateur who irked the IRS by making deposits of less than $10,000."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but those problems have solutions! Except for the deadliest thing around is the trash problem.
decimation: you too can start a new life in the off world colonies
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then you're in orbit and have other problems like bones dissolving
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, all over the place. But I only ever compute in bed while sitting.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform have you thought about zero g, how will you think better in bed?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about if the rest of the room rotates?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: let me guess, you're one of those folks who only lie on their back in bed and never else.
decimation: not to mention holding your arms on your lap (when lying down) would get tiring
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and when i want to turn over ?
kakobrekla: nooo not the usb!
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: okay, so the monitor folds down with a usb keyboard in some sort of rack attached to it.
asciilifeform: the black van man should have to work for his pay.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: for one thing, i refuse to use wireless keyboards.
decimation: I wish they made e-ink displays that updated at a reasonable frequency and were large
gabriel_laddel: re in bed computing. is there something wrong with a bluetooth keyboard on the lap and a monitor that folds onto the ceiling?
kakobrekla: for me bed is hard to get in and hard to get out.
decimation: you could send morse from a thigh-key to a terminal
kakobrekla: lol. he is even worse than me, wont leave the bed.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no! but i want to.
decimation: asciilifeform: you would make a terrible do-o-crat
kakobrekla: and you do all this in bed?
asciilifeform: and that's on a bad day.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't speak for others, but my programming is 90+% read/think and 10% write, timewise ☟︎
kakobrekla: well reading in bed and writing in bed arent the same thing.
decimation: lol yeah I figured you would like that one
asciilifeform: book-size portable terminal
asciilifeform: 'Some immediately apparent disadvantages are: ... ... I cannot read in bed. The book-size portable terminal will come later. A household may require several terminals or perhaps we may have to compromise with sin and provide a hard copy terminal after all.'
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/hoter.html << I was reading Herr McCarthy's 'dreams of the future' from 1970
decimation: asciilifeform: this came up yesterday with the global interpreter lock
gabriel_laddel: (re: Threaded Emacs, I've already walked that road - don't waste your time. Not going to happen and won't fix the underlying issues with Emacs anyways.)
asciilifeform furious that the emacs in that box's ports tree cannot easily build without dbus
gabriel_laddel: decimation: Emacs needs threads.
decimation: I've definitely noticed that if I add external packages, it tends to make things very very slow
decimation: I have been using org-mode to keep track of things, it's okay
asciilifeform: generally i never notice anything about new emacs except that one or more of my many elisps pointlessly breaks
decimation: asciilifeform: you don't compile the latest emacs 24?
asciilifeform: so can't speak for other folks. but several people i've exposed to it are now habitual users.
asciilifeform: i've had the keys in muscle memory since i was 6 y.o. or so