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asciilifeform: or hm, nm, the 'last movie' is not 'suss' ( which is circa '40)
asciilifeform: i was waiting for mircea_popescu to notice the bigger oddity
asciilifeform: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3147630043965732@naggum.no.html << moar echoes . possibly today no one will even be able to say , for a fact, wat.
asciilifeform: same item. asphalteur truck just hasn't come yet.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: when you drive over a hole, it also doesn't usually speak and explain why it decided to be a hole
asciilifeform: oddly enuff it is cop who 'explains', 'от имени Союза Советских Социалистических Республик , i now get in your way , for your having exceeded 10 times the speed of an unladen snail on this tuesday...'
asciilifeform: i dun have nearly enuff contact with the tv insanity
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if it's actually mircea_popescu working without gloves on the hot smoking factory floor of the insane asylum, and asciilifeform somehow is the one looking down from dirigible
asciilifeform: waitasec since when does judge 'explain'
asciilifeform supposes
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one with 'but they'll be destitute' ?
asciilifeform: seems to have a twatter , http://www.xahlee.org/subscribe.html
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: i've looked for how to get him before.
asciilifeform: walled himself up.
asciilifeform: the sad thing is that he doesn't seem to have any obvious means of contact
asciilifeform: usually in short bursts , like in ^example
asciilifeform: gatt habitually showed symptoms of pantsuitism
asciilifeform: they go way back. e.g. https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html
asciilifeform: ( all i got is archaeology, i wasn't there; never met anybody who was there , only have the shards of the old pots. )
asciilifeform: that was the picture i got. largely from the c.l.l articles.
asciilifeform: http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html << the most well-known piece by gatt/garrett , 'lisping at jpl'
asciilifeform: http://www.flownet.com/ron << d00d .
asciilifeform: phase transition, of sorts.
asciilifeform: sorta how american '1960s' ended in '74
asciilifeform: sept. 11, 2001
asciilifeform: 1990s didn't really end till 2001 , lol
asciilifeform: ( or so is asciilifeform's picture . )
asciilifeform: and he lost his marbles.
asciilifeform: then item went to shit, for general usgification 1990s reasons
asciilifeform: gatt started out presiding over a usg laboratory where spacecraft ran lisps, worked properly, etc.
asciilifeform: to which naggum , not surprisingly , answered 'shuddup bitch, i am making money with payware lisps, my systems work, go be emo chick somewhere else'
asciilifeform: him
asciilifeform: gatt (renamed himself, today garrett ) wrote a large pile of 'lisp is dead, woe is me, once there were things but never again' 'emo' screeds on comp.lang.lisp
asciilifeform: ( there are salvageable organs in the scheme corpse. but there is not imho a usable per-se schemetron. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766487 << one of the recurring motifs in the naggum threads is the scheme thing. scheme got stuck in its development (politically, rather than technically, it got orphaned and lacked a mircea_popescu at a critical time in its gestation ) and ended up in the hands of 'perfect circles' people ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and when this actually happens, it is as part of a great catastrophe , not something to be cheered )
asciilifeform: but no, nobody gets to reinvent in the idjit-schoolboy-dreams sense of 'and then they forgot how to do it and i Show Them and Become Newton' or whichever
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766484 << cauchy 'reinvented', neh ☝︎
asciilifeform: the subtle mistakes are the moar lethal.
asciilifeform: right, but that one's sorta obvious
asciilifeform: *spurious
asciilifeform: ( the supurious concretization of 'future' i suspect is a root philosophical ill of 20th c, like the humanization of computer )
asciilifeform: future is where people are stuck moving to.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that nobody can move ~into~ past.
asciilifeform: ... man NOT 'privilege past'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766479 << past is where the items to be learned from live, even if the world were just a week old; so in that sense how could thinking ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766477 << it's considerably moartragic in light of naggum's biography. he went to usa as a young man because he heard there were individualists there , and joined an aynrand cult , and burned out, came back ☝︎
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat
asciilifeform: i suspect mircea_popescu nailed the orig problem in the old article where 'and then they began to began to imagine that the machines are alive'
asciilifeform: how would it
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: subj really calls for one
asciilifeform: can i persuade mircea_popescu into writing an essay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not a very high bar
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a story.
asciilifeform: trinque: legend was that germans cut it. and d00d was sent to fix it, but was shot, and as he bled out he put it in his teeth so as to clamp it in death.
asciilifeform: sounds like plaintextism
asciilifeform: only ever with machine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766473 << i can't speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never edited a file 'by hand' , a la http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, http://rusdemotivator.ru/uploads/posts/2010-06/1275904553_40960_oni-umirali-za-rodinu-za-stalina.jpg << 'they died 'for motherland, for stalin'. but we - we die from dope and drink.'
asciilifeform: ^ linked for the pics.
asciilifeform: re 'die for stalin', incidentally, oblig : http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_myths/stalin/00002.html
asciilifeform: ople who trusted you, the people that loved you, to some grifter or other. You will be remembered as Adonis-number.'
asciilifeform: 'Irrespective of you, entirely and in all respects, what will happen is that you will meet a grifter and have a child, and that child will be disaster. Pain, sadness, hunger, death and human suffering of proportions strictly commensurate to your "drive", to your "ambition", to the clarity of your "vision" and the purity of your intentions. And we won't care. Nobody will care. You will be remembered as that shill that delivered the pe
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ << here, i think, it is
asciilifeform: there was also an old mircea_popescu article about 'grifters'
asciilifeform: in modern usa called 'goodcop-badcop'
asciilifeform watched ^ just nao on a box with 0 audio... interesting
asciilifeform: once instead of '2 d00dz' it's an 'institution' , it gets chair-warmers, diversirasts, whole shebang
asciilifeform: this is what i meant in 'and then the hump of the bellcurve came for it'.
asciilifeform: 'adobe' was originally 2 d00dz , iirc ; ditto crapple. the transformation into fungi happened at some later point
asciilifeform: ( is there a technical root of the cancers after all ? or is it simply the 'monkeys inherit the temple, and it doesn't matter how temple was built' phenomenon ? both ? )
asciilifeform: which they.
asciilifeform: i'm curious re the 'they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance' item.
asciilifeform: all things are born, flower, wither, die.
asciilifeform: i dun have a mechanized pill against this.
asciilifeform: then the hump of the bellcurve came for it.
asciilifeform: specifically re postscript --when it was new, it was every bit as clean and orthogonal as, say, ffacalc.
asciilifeform: i dunno that this is false. but seems to resemble what i said re revolutions killing civilizations -- that errything senesces , bloats, dies in the end.
asciilifeform: and it is a professional hazard asciilifeform is quite aware of on own skin.
asciilifeform: the 'simple idea'.
asciilifeform: that is one of the more painful kinds of glue trap.
asciilifeform: it was their 'plain text' , lel
asciilifeform: aaha.
asciilifeform: the greeks had a peculiar fixation with 'perfect circle'
asciilifeform: there aint any goodones afaik, lol
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766314 ☝︎
asciilifeform: that sounds familiar, esthlos didja fatfinger yer paste button
asciilifeform: waiiwat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has quit (Read error << where's that shortwave!111
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform for example has been quietly experimenting with subj since the 1st 'tabs' thread.
asciilifeform: this is the mega-q.
asciilifeform also. in anticipation of mircea_popescu's puzzlers.
asciilifeform: not yet done the necessary archaeological dig, to find whether d00d was on to The Right Thing or notquite.
asciilifeform: now this i cannot say.
asciilifeform: sexpr is even quicker for 'throw out unwanted element' than ye olde txt, can do in O(1)