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decimation: an introduction that couldn't be replicated by perl script
asciilifeform: decimation: that, or to make a good introduction of himself.
decimation: which would basically require being personally known to someone in the wot
asciilifeform: !s the cold equations
asciilifeform: how else to regard ?
decimation: asciilifeform: but this only works if one regards a n00b with utter contempt
asciilifeform: wot is to be used as a wot to eliminate precisely this class of pest
decimation: Like bitcoin, the wot database is going to grow forever
asciilifeform: you don't kill folks with a nuke by rolling it and crushing them under it
asciilifeform: remember that it's a wot
decimation: really I guess that's the same solution as Mr. Luke-jr
asciilifeform: so mr spam will walk them.
decimation: nanotube might consider deleting wot ID's that haven't authed in a period of time
decimation: there is an incentive to do this anyway
asciilifeform: we would be creating an incentive to flood wot with crud
decimation: I don't get the point to idling on a logged channel (without voice)
asciilifeform: (but i think mircea_popescu already said this)
asciilifeform: the idlers who 'i'll join a hundred bitcoin-related channels, they're all the same to me!' are contemptible.
asciilifeform: now they will have a reason to ask.
asciilifeform: and i can only speak for myself, but i neglect voicing people because they don't ask.
decimation: kakobrekla: one way around that issue would be to kick anyone who isn't in the wot (not L2)
kakobrekla: yes, but. kick wont do, you have to ban the idler or else it just rejoins. secondly, if we fail to voice ppl which we kinda do, they will be casualties.
decimation: people outside of L2 can read the logs
asciilifeform: naturally mr ddos will have nothing to do but move on to qntra, trilema, bitbet...
decimation: yeah i think that's a good plan
asciilifeform: that was, i think, the idea.
asciilifeform: others - only long enough to see who to ask for voice.
asciilifeform: anyone who has voice, gets to idle as much as he likes
kakobrekla: having a wot and having l2 trust not same thing.
kakobrekla: wait, you meant l2 trust?
kakobrekla: but bot can get in the wot.
asciilifeform: so then.
kakobrekla: smth like that
kakobrekla: i think the least damaging way is to kick nicks that are idle sing sing-on
asciilifeform: 'amplification' idiocy is trivially tested for, and any isp which doesn't yank the offending lusers ought by all rights to be killed upstream
asciilifeform: there's just a sea of idiot boxes that should have been booted from the net long ago.
asciilifeform: but there isn't a 'botnet'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in that sense, yes
BingoBoingo: I thought there was a bot on the trigger
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 01:04:22; asciilifeform: from the department of nyooz yoo can yooze - kakobrekla provided data from which we learn that ddos man has switched from ssdp to ntp 'amplification' attack (see literature.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there isn't a bot.
BingoBoingo: Walk away with chumpnet, implement new bot, other things too prolly
asciilifeform: of course, this is largely a waste of time when one can simply walk away with the chumpnet (entirely unsecured, as discussed in past thread on subject)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: here's an elegant, though likewise unsporting pill against ddosman. require anyone outside of L1 to enter uncloaked on pain of instakick. there will be a set of 'lurkers' remaining who never die. among them will be our hero, who is then readily deduced.
Adlai: it could be that the ddoser is not ddosing himself. or that he's not ddosing people belonging to his site. or that he picks targets randomly, to give the illusion of unknown patterns.
asciilifeform: but where'd be the sport in that.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if you wanted to, you could've determined mr. ddos by iterative kicking / process of deduction - long ago.
Adlai: at that moment, kako was enlightened
ikeboy: I'm going now, but the betmoose is here for anyone betmoose.com/bet/paycoin-to-be-worth-at-least-_01-btc-in-2015-1049
Adlai hasn't the faintest clue how deep the lemmings' pockets run
ikeboy: if I can sell it for $20, that means someone is willing to pay for it
Adlai: it's like cryptsy except without litecoin shoved down my throat at every turn
Adlai: "worth" is the key word. it could be worth $30 on the bucket shops that choose to list it, but zero to the rest of the world.
Adlai: whatever happened to the real peepeecoin. nobody wants to trade their overpriced shitcoins for kilos of processed manure?
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Well It's a fork of peercoin. The code was already there just needed magic number tweaks. Also Peercoin was cooler when it was still called PeePeeCoin
Adlai: "don't believe in paycoin" doesn't translate cleanly to "willing to bet on a subset of the possible failure scenarios, as opposed to all others"
Adlai: of course i believe in paycoin. it is the vehicle through which the prophet garza will lead the people from usury and incest to riches and glory
ikeboy: does that mean you don't believe in it?
Adlai: so paycoin has progressed from vaporware to real, nitrogen-rich altcoincrap?
ikeboy: ok, but they were trying to convince me that buying now to sell at $20 on monday is a bad idea
BingoBoingo: <ikeboy> And people who were trying to convince me not to buy paycoin should be willing to put money behind that << Not everyone who think Paycoin is a shit idea wants the same two week window you do.
thestringpuller: trying to run options on a bookie service
thestringpuller: ^- this
cazalla: not if you're unable to find someone to bet against, i'd take the sure thing while you can lol
cazalla: buy more paycoin then, sure bet!
ikeboy: i'm trying to increase my return. what do you think I'm trying to do?
thestringpuller: well then
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
ikeboy: And people who were trying to convince me not to buy paycoin should be willing to put money behind that
ikeboy: If you mean I can make more this way than by investing in paycoin directly, then yes
ikeboy: what do you mean by that?
thestringpuller: it seems the only reason you want odds if for extended leverage.
ikeboy: Don't tell me it's not worth $600 for someone to spend time setting it up
ikeboy: What's the problem? too small?
thestringpuller: yea, there is your problem small fry.
ikeboy: I would put up to ~2BTC on this, versus 20BTC
ikeboy: and anyone who has a greater than 90% that paycoin is going bust should pick this up
ikeboy: I'm interested in 10:1 odds on paycoin not being worth more than .01 BTC in 2 weeks
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: What odds interest you and why should other people be interested in them.
thestringpuller: ikeboy: you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
ikeboy: that link isn't that informative
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ikeboy: i don't know, i've made money on fairlay, but not in the amounts I want to bet on this
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is... Which betting platform actually brings... bettors with money to the bets?
ikeboy: besides, i think the market would mostly agree with me, but there were some people on irc that didn't, so i want to get money out of them
ikeboy: afaik, that's the only thing giving it value right now, the expectation of a payout on monday
ikeboy: They claim that they will buy any coins for $20 starting monday. If they don't, it will probably drop
BingoBoingo: Probably not, any scam can be kept afloat for two weeks
ikeboy: is anyone willing to bet against me that paycoin will be worthless in 2 weeks?
ikeboy: I was here earlier talking about betting on paycoin
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> <BingoBoingo> RagnarDanneskjol: Nice site http://thelogdailyreport.com/ << who is this? << That's RagnarDanneskjol
BingoBoingo: <punkman> non-denominational is like the cheez whiz of religion << Some "non-denominational" churches seem to be the most "extreme" to be polite
kakobrekla: !up tryphe
mod6: I still have a bit more testing to complete before the end of the month, but hopefully will get some additionally time over the remaining 13 days to debug more.
mod6: obv. a lot smaller and only seems to grow up to ~60 log files until it flushes them out.
mod6: here's a snippit of what my .bitcoin/database dir looks like with the BDB patch compiled in:
mod6: well, indeed, that could be the case.
mike_c: i'm no boost fan, but it seems more likely it is in the usage of boost rather than the library itself.
mike_c: you think boost is leaking?