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mircea_popescu: i don't need to impress him.
mircea_popescu: because why, because i gotta spend money i don't have on suits i can't afford to impress r0nin- ?
mircea_popescu: and if the rates are high, i increase savings and push the rates down.
mircea_popescu: i do not owe anyone anything.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- farm doesn't HAVE to increase output. if the sconto rate is too high, i will simply sell an extra egg and invest.
mircea_popescu: no, i've got the facts and you've got teh mantras.
mircea_popescu: i did ?!
mircea_popescu: let them fucking figure out how. i just give out the signal if.
mircea_popescu: i don't care how. this isn't explainy hour. the cooperation of the fucker-upper is neither sought nor required.
mircea_popescu: but i very much recommend actual, physical, public-pillory beatings.
ben_vulpes: greek thing, i guess.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- i guess. anyone's entitled to his own favoritas.
mod6: I should have gotten a few.
mircea_popescu: i know plenty of people spending a lot more for a week's vacation and getting a whole lot less.
mircea_popescu: i paid for the fabric when i ordered it.
mircea_popescu: the one i picked up when ben_vulpes was visiting set me back 10k.
mircea_popescu: that's because math is not principally i/o
asciilifeform: must be for the 'i'ma boot up my aol station, check aol, and switch off 10 min later' people.
asciilifeform: i can't fathom how anybody uses it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701913 <<< it's not just that. firefox rendering engine has been forever broken, since version 5 or so. i dunno what version they're at by now, 60 or 160 or w/e, but they never actyually got the manpower together to fix the problem. which problem is -- not memory stable!!! most gfx pages will eat up firefox memory at linear rate over time. which means that the browser will always crash, no m ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 16:54 mircea_popescu: hmm, not putting it in topic, putting it in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ once i get that thing online again.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 15:15 valentinbuza: gave up chrome long time ago for firefox (with noscript + self destructing cookies). now I should start looking for alternatives.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the actual reason, i am persuaded, is that the formerly VERY competitive, fragmented talent finally pooled starting mid 1989 and ending six months later.
mircea_popescu: hmm, not putting it in topic, putting it in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ once i get that thing online again. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what can i say, it worked great, for the year+
asciilifeform: i suspect these and other derps know what the answer is. ergo still sitting in bunker, taking in the wagner an' cyanide.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care. it's a simple "come see whether you are good enough to seep people into your company or lose all your brain power to our better model".
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking position, wtf do i want FROM a bunch of fiat rottinculo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you'd like to pen a 'can haz the pill against your $B 'intellektual property' racket for phreee? ' letter to lattice, go ahead. i did xilinx.
shinohai: If I paint `TMSR` in gold lettering on my bathtub boats, am I now admiral of Navy?
shinohai: And I thank thee, mircea_popescu , fpr reminding me that the US Navy + Pykrete = eterenal meme
mircea_popescu: i know i know.
spyked: yes, and C is I think it's a good example to illustrate the larger issue. it's a snowball thing, in the sense that it's sometimes enough to have 1 hole to break everything. incidentally most recent popularized vulns (not necessarily in C) fit there.
spyked: think about it, the problem of e.g. C software is that unsanitized inputs let users do *whatever* they like with it, i.e. arbitrary computetion. which goes way beyond program specification.
valentinbuza: 'time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place.' << my guess is not, but I don't think we have a conclusion on this with a sample of 2 points
spyked: on the other hand, if I take these items for granted, joke's on me, which is exactly what "modern engineering" philosophy relies on.
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: i regard the entire concept of 'real time automated public key crypto' as a scam, and anyone claiming to offer such a thing, as a scammer, until constant time rsa routines are public.
spyked: loaded (because I don't use this day-to-day), I must consult these items in great detail. my guess here is that once I have spent all the time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place. ☟︎
spyked: valentinbuza, to exemplify asciilifeform's point ^ I shall quote from the docs: "A Noise protocol begins with two parties exchanging handshake messages. During this handshake phase the parties exchange DH public keys and perform a sequence of DH operations" <-- this requires me to import a couple of concepts: handshake messages, DH public keys, there may be others along the line. now, given that my crypto brain-memory module is not
valentinbuza: i saw, OTP is one
spyked: re schematic for protocol patterns, why not use e.g. petri nets for the model (assuming that works) then just implement from that? why add extra software? ehm. it seems like they're trying to automate some work, but that automation trades off actual understanding, i.e. by introducing (IMHO useless) levels of abstraction.
valentinbuza: probably. but i think that your argument is invalid because you say that "in TLS ingredients suck and recipe sucks" and "in Noise ingredients suck therefore the recipe also sucks" ☟︎
valentinbuza: i don't find the word 'standard' in the description or in the spec. it's not a standard and should not be seen as one
valentinbuza: agree on the TLS part. As I told before, Noise was a partial response for spyked blog post (TLS sucks, PKI sucks). Noise is just a somewhat better choice for the TLS sucks part
valentinbuza: also "massive pile of moving parts" << not even close to TLS. as for your other questions i can't really answer.
valentinbuza: gave up chrome long time ago for firefox (with noscript + self destructing cookies). now I should start looking for alternatives. ☟︎
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: 'lynx' is, i think, quite popular among the folx here
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater.
asciilifeform: i dun care so much re the name, but elaborating re the resistance.
mod6: I'm open to suggestions for re-name.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:31 asciilifeform: i don't much like the phrase 'trusted nodes', when you connect to trb node, you get plaintext tcp, and 0 guarantees re who or what you're actually talking to.
mod6: I don't think these belong permanently in the SoBA each month. It would be probably a good idea for individuals who own these nodes to sign their Node IP and send that to the btc-dev mailing list. However, I seem to recall some resistance to that.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701821 << i do this in my flagship wurkstationx -- but it is expensive, 'trim' dun work properly through hardware raid, they burn even faster than in singles. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i use it in workstations. but the cost is imho misplaced in a trb node, which are supposed to be a redundancy layer p2pfully in themselves !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701819 << ~actual~ - i.e. ~hardware~ raid -- ain't cheap, even the controller, and mobo with actual slots, for it to sit down in, each cost more than all of zoolag ! ☝︎
spyked: valentinbuza, "Noise is a framework for crypto protocols based on Diffie-Hellman key agreement. Noise can describe protocols that consist of a single message as well as interactive protocols." in what's a tradition here, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dh I'll let the more knowledgeable ppl hammer it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "i never commuted" should go on my list of "shit i missed out" huh.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701724 |<< eh relax. i do it all the time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:43 pete_dushenski: though i'll be damned if i can gather why it is that -connect'ing to 2+ nodes jams up every few hours whereas just 1 node sync beautifully with no issues for days on end.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:42 pete_dushenski: in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:34 pete_dushenski: "ultimately, the only way that philanthropy is really going to be able to shed its aura of noxious elitism is if the rich give up the reins of control, and allow the poor to make many, many more allocative decisions." << i lolled
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: i struggle to imagine the poverty of system that behavior was intended to be useful on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701627 << problem is poverty of mind, not of system. "i don't want to look at large hex strings, they intimidatre me". same exact shit-for-brains that gave us pgp "fingerprints". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:36 asciilifeform: all of the pattern 'have you seen this tx?' 'no...' 'but i sent it to your node and got an ack'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:26 hanbot: yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701525 << i have no idea why but this is overpowerly funny. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701518 << the implicit point does not prevail with me because i personally ran a revolution from the very comfortable setting of my burgeois setting. you can ; and in fact the better revolutions go exactly like that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 14:49 phf: now i didn't find out about race conditions myself, that data point came from dks, they discovered race conditions as part of the emulator rewrite, but they have the benefit of having access to the necessary low level bits
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 12:12 spyked: asciilifeform, what do you think of minimal baremetal implementation of Lisp (RISC assembly only) on something like a MIPS core? I might be thinking this in too abstract terms, it's definitely not that easy. but I'm trying to find a middle way between working FPGA Lisp machine and Lisp on unix.
brlbg: i get a 'complete' time out
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 11:33 spyked: also, is there any worth in trying to "physicalize" the virtual lisp machine stuff? genera runs on that from what I read.
asciilifeform: i ain't putting privkeys ( even 'old' ones ) in a networkedclosedturd . for same reasons as i will not be sending them to whoever.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i understand it's a couplea line patch to trb
asciilifeform: though to date i've found the cost, to be similar.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701681 << before i fughet -- i will also point out, all else being equal , a ssd that is larger relative to the size of the blockchain -- will die more slowly ( trim MUST work for this to hold ) ☝︎
pete_dushenski: but how would anyone but me know where the empty privkeys come from ? let's say i hand them off to another guy, who has no idea where they come from but via me, and then he sells on xchange, and then btc gets funneled back to you, what then ? when inquisitor comes (which he won't because he can't or he already would've) do all three of us own coins because we've each seen privkeys ?
asciilifeform: but i dun see how you could use someone else's help in this exercise, without disclosing your inner rectal seekritz.
asciilifeform: if i go through the bother of setting up the furnace, i'm certainly burning all.
pete_dushenski: i dunno man, you're the one keeping is ~all~
asciilifeform: why the fuck would i want to keep any.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701650 << i cannot speak for other folx but possibly i'm not the only one who isn't eager to divulge all-his-btc-addrs ( much as we like pete_dushenski , picture, say , his iron were to be stolen, ect) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:45 mike_c: asciilifeform: I got some goats in the mail today. ty.
pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand. ☟︎☟︎
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693691 << re "car wheel drm" can't say i've ever lost one of the "special" nuts myself but they are indeed a thing and it's not overly surprising that the shops won't sell you new ones but if you just drop your car off there, flip them a $50 or whatever, i'm sure they can take care of it. or, y'know, just know a guy. ☝︎
mike_c: asciilifeform: I got some goats in the mail today. ty. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: mod6: ya, it was ~half the time of the last 0-fullheight trb sync i tried maybe 18 months ago, but that was on hdd and this was on ssd :)
pete_dushenski: though i'll be damned if i can gather why it is that -connect'ing to 2+ nodes jams up every few hours whereas just 1 node sync beautifully with no issues for days on end. ☟︎
mike_c: I'm at 292908
pete_dushenski: in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say! ☟︎
pete_dushenski: but i was as surprised as mike_c (to whom, wb btw!) that the bch --> btc market actually came through, at least for triple-digit btc sums. obv can't speak to mp-level six- or seven-digit sums.
pete_dushenski: mod6: i'm just teasin' :)
pete_dushenski: "ultimately, the only way that philanthropy is really going to be able to shed its aura of noxious elitism is if the rich give up the reins of control, and allow the poor to make many, many more allocative decisions." << i lolled ☟︎
mod6: <+hanbot> say, where's the current list of trb nodes? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << accurate? << I do update it as people tell me.
ben_vulpes: i struggle to imagine the poverty of system that behavior was intended to be useful on ☟︎
asciilifeform: all of the pattern 'have you seen this tx?' 'no...' 'but i sent it to your node and got an ack' ☟︎
asciilifeform: i don't much like the phrase 'trusted nodes', when you connect to trb node, you get plaintext tcp, and 0 guarantees re who or what you're actually talking to. ☟︎
hanbot: yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc. ☟︎