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Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: sure, but as long as some spam is easy
to pick out, might as well
kakobrekla: at some point your rules
to save resources will eat up more resources
than just eating what comes.
kakobrekla: anyway, i would not really give away
the addys. not because of
the damage you couldnt do but i was saying it
to point out its a battle against infinity.
Luke-Jr: they miss
the fact
that Catholics consider gambling moral
Luke-Jr: trolls like
to claim my spamfilter is gambling-related blacklisting or something
kakobrekla: i
thought you were blocking gambling stuff ?
kakobrekla: rely
tx policies is like you are
temporarily covering yourself with a blanket
Luke-Jr: now miners will safely use your policy without losing out on
their pooled earnings
Luke-Jr: let anyone run
their own policy server, and others can use
that
Luke-Jr: well, at
the very least, people can outsource
their policy
to someone other
than
the pool
Luke-Jr is also working on
taking policy decisions away from pool ops
Luke-Jr: well,
that's another
thing :p
kakobrekla: anyway i dont
think most pool ops are capable of making political decisions or code changes
Luke-Jr: without having
to hack C++, recompile, or worry about accidentally breaking consensus code
Luke-Jr: one of my goals right now is
to make it so people can just drop a Python/Ruby/whatever script in
their bitcoin directory for
their policy
Luke-Jr: I'm certainly working on
trying
to make it easy
though - see my CNodePolicy pull request
Luke-Jr: it's not a miner-only
thing; each node has a policy
kakobrekla: well if we are shifting
the blame we can shift it on
the miners for not giving shit and devs for not making it easy
Luke-Jr: so my idea
there was
to just have
the default be some not-totally-absurd random value, so at least people who care about datacarrier support set it
themselves
Luke-Jr: so since node operators are lazy and don't set
their own policies, it puts a weird centralising pressure
to
try
to make some kind of one-size-fits-all policy. which makes for lots of stupid political arguments
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: when OP_RETURN code was initially merged
to git, it was 80; it changed
to 40 prior
to any release
kakobrekla: why does
the guy in
the
thread
there
talk about some 'change'
Luke-Jr: actually, if
that pull request is still open,
the default must still be 40
Luke-Jr: 0.10 will allow changing it, at least (I forget if it increased
to 80)
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: I
think it's 40 in all released versions
Luke-Jr: it's just node policy - what
the node in question will choose
to relay, mine, etc
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron:
this OP_RETURN stuff has nothing
to do with
the consensus system or blocks
danielpbarron: what happens if one of
these
things gets included in a block? does a pre 0.6.* node reject
the whole block?
kakobrekla: the whole
thing is pretty far out
there.
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: "Perhaps we should set
the default
to a random value between 0-80 at startup,
to incentivise miners making
their own decision without actually forcing it explicitly."
assbot: Change
the default maximum OP_RETURN size
to 80 bytes by Flavien · Pull Request #5286 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/13yyb7s )
decimation: kakobrekla:
the guy writes in a normative way as if he was in charge of something
assbot: Change
the default maximum OP_RETURN size
to 80 bytes by Flavien · Pull Request #5286 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/13yxXgE )
ben_vulpes: any way bitcoin can be used is a fine way
to use bitcoin.
kakobrekla: >I
think OP_RETURN has shown itself
to be seriously problematic; and we continue
to have problems with people beleving
that storing non-bitcoin related data in
the chain (as opposed, e.g.
to simple commitments or
things like ECDH nonces) is an approved, correct, non-antisocial use of
the system.
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ELio19: Came
to -otc in '12 ( i
think )
ELio19: I
thought my rate was pretty good, what do i need
to get auto-voice?
ben_vulpes: ah
that's right
the virulent robert viragh
mircea_popescu: no ass
to speak of, just
this pouffed up hair and huge green eyes
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i've seen
the prettiest black girl i ever saw.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nigger is one
thing,
that's like freedom of speech << for some reason
the Chappelle show skit
that involved a white family with
the last name "Niggar" came
to mind.
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mircea_popescu: apparently people do
think 100 dollar bills are worth 100 dollars just because
they can reliably
transmit 100 dollars.
mircea_popescu: guess what ? 100 dollar bills are also a way of
transmitting value , which is what he misuses "money"
to signify.
mircea_popescu: lol buffett doesn't wish for
the currency part of bitcoin
to exist huh
mats: “Stay away from it. It’s a mirage, basically. … It’s a method of
transmitting money. It’s a very effective way of
transmitting money and you can do it anonymously and all
that. A check is a way of
transmitting money,
too. Are checks worth a whole lot of money just because
they can
transmit money?"
thestringpuller: re: mircea_popescu: mebbe someone should write a piece detailing how
tech crunch bit a steel girder providing whitewashing services for well known bitcoin scammers.
jurov: wut, kako does
trash once in year?
ben_vulpes: quickly, bahahara, send in
the assasins! he's vulnerable!
ben_vulpes: anyways can i do ya for anything else before emptying
the dog's
tanks?
ben_vulpes: next year when
the keto freaks show up you'll want
to ban glycogen or summat
ben_vulpes: no
trollin plebs by shit
talkin popescu properties
mircea_popescu: if we seriously mean
to
take over
teh fiat world we imperatively must have forbidden words!
mircea_popescu: nigger is one
thing,
that's like freedom of speech and shit like
that. but saying
the bad about mpex and shit ?
ben_vulpes: in any event it should be evident from
the gross exaggeration of
the lines in question what my intent was in
that exchange.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so is he quoting a convo
that actually occured on irc or one
that actually occurred in his head ?
kakobrekla: like
taking out
the
trash for example.
kakobrekla: too bad christmas isnt more often. now
that chan is dead i finally got some real work done.
mircea_popescu: there's no "control" involved when
the
two options are "give us stuff for free" and "disappear into
the night"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: because - in all but one out of
thousand cases - why??? << once
the why is answered,
the "make
their own" is answered
too, fiveseconds later .that's
the point.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller << re
the
techcrunch cadaver washing job in
the case of mccaleb : mebbe someone should write a piece detailing how
tech crunch bit a steel girder providing whitewashing services for well known bitcoin scammers.
assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel
that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... (
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