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asciilifeform: i don't think it is a mystery, to anyone even remotely connected with the sordid business, what it was that he meant.
asciilifeform: unless mr. 'i want to hire 30 great programmers tomorrow morning' wasn't writing from a psychiatric hospital, the parsimonious hypothesis is that he meant something other than inventors when said 'great programmers.'
asciilifeform: or otherwise 'can you play violin? don't know, i've never tried yet'
asciilifeform: and why would they want to work for you
asciilifeform: anyone wanting to hire 30 inventors needs his head checked
Apocalyptic: note the dubious claim that a programmer nowadays will invent stuff
Apocalyptic: to quote "A great programmer will invent things an ordinary programmer would never even think of."
asciilifeform: imagine wanting to hire 30 'great mathematicians' tomorrow morning.
asciilifeform: ^ what definition of 'great programmer' portrays a creature you can even think of 'hire 30 tomorrow morning' of ?
asciilifeform: 'I asked the CEO of a startup with about 70 programmers how many more he'd hire if he could get all the great programmers he wanted. He said "We'd hire 30 tomorrow morning."'
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> paul graham << what the everliving fuck is a 'great programmer' anyway // he gave some interesting property of such a creature, but no definition alas
asciilifeform: and when do we let the great, e.g., bootblacks in ?
asciilifeform: paul graham << what the everliving fuck is a 'great programmer' anyway
asciilifeform: decimation: that cannot communicate by radio, homing pigeon, or narco-couriers with scrolls up their arses ?
asciilifeform: decimation: the planet is also split in half? and the halves end up in two separate universes ?
decimation: if a harddrive were sent across the iron curtain, how would the transactions on the other side be reconciled?
decimation: which half of the blockchain is now 'valid'? the one that is longest?
decimation: asciilifeform: your 'offline' blockchain scenario is interesting. thought experiment: what if there was a new cold war and the Internet cleanly split in two halves?
decimation: thought experiment: what if tomorrow infinite immigration between the US and say Europe was allowed? What percentage of "exceptional programmers" would leave their current lives to go work for some hobo in Silly-con valley?
decimation thinks that time horizon has already been reached
decimation: "But this whole discussion has taken something for granted: that if we let more great programmers into the US, they'll want to come. That's true now, and we don't realize how lucky we are that it is. ... And if we don't, the US could be seriously fucked."
assbot: Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In ... ( http://bit.ly/1wP4ISS )
decimation: lol re: mr. spam's email << me thinks the lady doth protest too much
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2014 03:52:10; asciilifeform: every day i wonder why the 'arm' architecture so thoroughly beat 'mips' (closest competitor in the 'risc' world) in the markets
asciilifeform: (see thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2014#960128 ) ☝︎
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asciilifeform: 'what exactly is the point' << the point is that it isn't an 'arm.' and isn't a closed turd.
assbot: MIPS Creator CI20: The Raspberry Pi competitor that isn’t | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1wOYORL )
ben_vulpes: ah, forgive me. i mean "blocks" as in relatively easily handled block data. for example, the json that's returned from getblock.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when you said 'vomit forth blocks' - sorta implied that one must delve into the protocol docs to make use of said vomit.
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing against parsing the blocks. it must verify the chain on download and be able to regurgitate the data on command. i suppose that i'm being too dense to grasp your meaning.
asciilifeform: so there it must sit.
asciilifeform: because, by definition, there will be no variation in it.
asciilifeform: in other words, everything that is a 'timeless' part of bitcoin - i.e. cannot ever change or hardfork - must be a working part of the client.
asciilifeform: an oscilloscope, maybe. but not tb.
asciilifeform: is it a proper tv ?
asciilifeform: every time you use it.
asciilifeform: if it asks you to set the vertical and horizontal scan frequencies manually, independently...
asciilifeform: say it's 1970 and you just bought a tv set.
ben_vulpes: i'm circling around the notion that all bitcoin should do on the topic is vomit forth blocks on command, referenced by height. perhaps transactions, but i'm not even convinced about that.
cazalla: they've also reattributed what were patrick murck's articles to one jinyoung
ben_vulpes: that though is not a function of intermittently walking the recent blocks. function of braindamaged "db" implementation.
cazalla: looks like they removed the black kid photostock images too, such racists
cazalla: well, that didn't take long.. bitcoinfoundation.org has redesigned their website yet again
asciilifeform: without having to open up the abdomen, insert them, and re-suture in the future.
ben_vulpes: i've used it to watch incoming blocks, but not suffering 6 month discontinuities.
asciilifeform: but all of the necessary 'hooks' should be there.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: well in theory, yes. but go and try this exercise with traditional bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: that's why i'm suggesting that data analysis be not a part of bitcoin.
asciilifeform: or when there's a gap in the usg shortwave jammers
ben_vulpes: then you know the last received block and ideally you have all of the blocks since then and can walk them.
asciilifeform: what if 'incoming' happens every six months, when the mail ships sail in ?
asciilifeform: classical bitcoind behaves very poorly if the assumption of always-on high speed net connection is violated.
asciilifeform: what if 'incoming' happens every four days, when the satellite drifts overhead ?
ben_vulpes: one can know an arbitrary address has been paid an amount trivially that way.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: consider the usual apparatus that wants to know that 'it's been paid' without holding any secrets whatsoever.
asciilifeform: customary workarounds like importing a private key and then 'losing' it are idiotic.
ben_vulpes: why is balance enough in that situation? what can you do with balance that you don't in reality need the specific unspent outputs for?
asciilifeform: or it is unusable for a large number of extremely ordinary things.
ben_vulpes: open to discussion on the topic!
asciilifeform: at the very least, one must be able to determine 'balance' of an arbitrary address.
ben_vulpes: i'm currently of the opinion that providing a tube through which to suck the blockchain is accetable.
asciilifeform: yes, this means that the traditional bitcoind does not entirely 'bitcoinate.'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: arbitrary walks of blockchain data << i think that i disagree here.
asciilifeform: or crafting of perverse (but relayable) transactions
asciilifeform: including ones that involve arbitrary walks of blockchain data.
asciilifeform: i'd say - entails being usable for any application pertaining to bitcoin whatsoever.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: interested in your take on my question
ben_vulpes: - create and sign raw transactions
ben_vulpes: - keep up to date with the main chain
ben_vulpes: what does it mean to bitcoinate?
assbot: Our ddos was possible thanks to rooted undersea routers used on transatlantic cables.
assbot: To clarify, we are no longer attacking PSN or Xbox. We are testing our new Tor 0day.
assbot: 3000 Tor relays in an hour, all called LizardNSA[0-9]+Interesting.
asciilifeform: 'despised by terrorists!'
ben_vulpes: that's not "ycombinator ceo" though
asciilifeform: let him get with the game.
ben_vulpes: it is now tarred by association with #bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: difference this time around seems to be that this orbiter is now terrified for his business propositions in the shartupsphere.
asciilifeform: just the same as mr. spam, or naggum's stalkers, in that they would regularly insist that 'they're done with' him and the 'pit' he dwelled in - but seemed to structure their entire waking lives around frequenting his haunts and crapping out abuse
asciilifeform: one might say that they 'won.' likely, naggum became wormfood that much sooner than otherwise could have.
asciilifeform: they did their best to destroy the little corner of the net where naggum dwelled.
asciilifeform: it is because he dared to put psychopaths in their place. and so attracted at least half a dozen of these 'orbiters.'
asciilifeform: some folks i've introduced to herr naggum's writings turned their nose, mainly on account of these pieces
asciilifeform: ople react extremely hostilely to any feeling that somebody else tells them what to do and are unable to cope with the helplessness and powerlessness they feel after being told what to do, but this is not anybody else can fix for them.'
asciilifeform: 'it is _never_ politeness and courtesy these lunatics want. (If it were, they would simply prove the superiority of being polite and courteous.) They want _other_ people to be polite and courteous because _they_ do not want to feel humiliated or threatened, but who can tell what makes a deranged lunatic feel humiliated or threatened by just and proper criticism, especially by proxy as the worst of these outcasts do? These pe
assbot: Re: Unwelcome mail from the stalkers - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1t6nRKL )
ben_vulpes: if only tiberius were still with us. now *that* was some trolling. ☟︎
asciilifeform: all the while spouting re: how 'they've moved on'
asciilifeform: these people orbit the folks they've latched onto - sometimes - for years.
asciilifeform: expect that he'll be with us for some time. see 'last psychiatrist' re: psychopaths with 'ego wounds'
ben_vulpes: interesting to watch the attack escalate.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: he threatened to call my mummy
cazalla: asciilifeform, he was having a laugh with the host while saying that
asciilifeform: 'For us as the Reserve Bank... ...we'll have to figure out how we make money because the way we generate most of our revenue is through forms of seigniorage, people are willing to hold currency free of interest and that's how we make money...' ☟︎
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i was going to watch that yesterday, settled on dumb and dumber to, fell asleep from the sambuca and up at 430am given i nodded off early
assbot: Governor For Reserve Bank Of India Talks Bitcoin: Is Worrisome, Security Issues | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1t6lJmb )
BingoBoingo: So the new North Korea movie. Not bad. Indicts the United States about as seriously as it indicts North Korea.
adlai: humpty numpty sat on the wall. was he put or did he call?
adlai: (signs point to yes)