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Overand: The stuff I'd have known by
the
time I was 4 or 5 years old if I'd been born right here ~600 years ago
Overand: kakobrekla: Yeah. You know, fire with sticks, shelter in
the woods,
that sort of
thing.
Overand: That's funny, I would have guessed earlier
than
that, but I suspect
the keyserver doesn't lie.
Overand: Yeah, I wonder if
there's a
timestamp on when it wa submitted
to
the keyserver
Overand: Anyway, yeah. I'm a
tech nerd, abstract musician, primitive skills student, general queerdo.
danielpbarron: i met xanthyos
through Overand; he's sorta hackerish or something
xanthyos: ;;rate Overand 2 known since hebrew school
temple beth shalom as far back as 9600 baud modems were in vogue
Overand: Heh. If
this is what you consider
the
threshold I must
to clear
to "matter," and I didn't "matter" before,
then my worldview continues
to be wildly different from yours.
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2014 21:48:39; asciilifeform: claim is not a fact << when
talking about a scam,
the claim is
the fact (that is,
the fact of
the scam being set up as such or other)
decimation: of course,
the urge
to 'print
their way out' might grow even larger
decimation: eh, it would cause a collapse of some kind, which would change some stuff, some of which might be
these programs
adlai: would
that force
towards more effective welfare programs, or just more of
the same shit?
decimation: which will only happen if overseas actors decide
to sell usd simultaneously
decimation: well, in
the case of
the us, a sudden collapse in usd buying power
decimation: probably won't change unless something forces
the government's hand
adlai: fwiw, assuming
that
the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program
than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes
decimation: but at
the same
time, don't
tie
the hands of folks who can 'make it out' of
the reservation
decimation: something like 'minimal welfare' is a bare hut with beans
to eat
adlai: well, zoogoers don't usually want
to live in
the cages...
adlai: hm
this is actually a
terrible essay, nvm.
ben_vulpes: i've always envisioned NYC style "projects", but with minimal food/water/electricity/internet piped in
to keep
the denizens complacent.
adlai: Huxley's "reservations" are actually a fairly moral solution for a welfare-free
technocracy: exile people who aren't contributing
to
the society, but don't shit in
their reservoirs either.
adlai wonders how many decades/centuries it'll
take for speciation
to start between "Homo operandus" and "Homo ignavus"
decimation: it's lulzy
that anyone still owns
that wwi debt
decimation: of course,
the welfare state also requires a source of infinte fiat
adlai: eh,
those kids are raised by hardworking parents. i'd be more worried about
the laziness of kids raised by parents on welfare
today.
decimation: in my opinion
the main issue is
the welfare
that will be extended
to
their lazy 2nd/3rd generation kids
decimation: mexicans actually do work pretty hard, I don't mind
them so much
adlai: israel
the government, yes. but israel
the restauranteur loves
them.
decimation: I
thought israel is harsh on illegal immigrants
adlai: and however little
they get paid, i'm pretty sure none of it is declared
adlai: as in, every.single.eatery has an "eggplant" doing
the dishes
adlai: in
the parts of
the middle east
that i feel qualified
to complain about,
the arabs aren't sitting on enough oil
to import workers; although israel is making
the most from massive refugee flows from darfur, eritrea, etc
kakobrekla: decimation bullets & family (to use
the bullets)
adlai: you mean in
the emirates?
decimation: adlai: what I find amusing is all
the 'turd world' workers
that
the arabs import
to do
their dirty work
decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is
true, it strikes me
that
the most important
thing
to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc
adlai: middle east demographics are quite
the shitshow. malthus's ghost is laughing his ass off by now.
adlai: then again,
take everything i say with a dab of humus. i'm actually a lot less updated on local events
than most people here, because it's mostly just fucking depressing.
adlai: (rockets are never fired by _hamas_ itself, and in fact firings are often denounced, even by
the military arm; yet somehow
the splinter groups keep operating despite
the
tight grip hamas has on
the strip...)
ben_vulpes: decimation: simple
things are beautifully powerful.
adlai: although "hamas" refers
to both a government and a loosely-knit military conglomerate, just like "usg" or "nato"
adlai: and yes, hamas is probably a better government
than
the governments of, say, haiti or somalia
adlai: there's an anarchist joke in
there somewhere but i'll leave it
to
the reader
to fill in
decimation: adlai: hamas seems
to blur
the lines between 'gang' and 'government'
adlai imagines
that
the situation in gaza [city] is not
too far off, modulus one large well-established gang (hamas)
decimation: his point about hygiene items is a good one. Having a large store of ethanol seems like a good idea - can be used as a disinfectant, can be drank, can be used
to de-grease engines :)
adlai: damnit he's gonna beat me
to
the patent office
adlai: kakobrekla: what is
this
thing? (the audio)
decimation: although it does seem
to be reasonable
decimation: kakobrekla: I've read
that before, not sure if it is legitimate
decimation: adlai: yes.
that constraint rules out many savings media obviously
adlai: if you know what's useful, and you know how
to keep it fresh, you could just save
that.
adlai: assuming
that you're saving something in
the hope of
trading it for useful stuff eventually
decimation: moldbug's
theory is
that
this is derived from game
theory, in
the sense
that every actor wants
to pick
the best savings medium, which is
the
thing
that everyone else is planning
to save in
decimation: something must be money, and
that something is worth more
than 'it ought
to be'
adlai: i like
to put it more bluntly, money is "the neverending ponzi game"
decimation: adlai:
there's some degree of
that, but money also acts as an asset. In moldbug's
terms, it's
the 'bubble
that never pops'
adlai: kakobrekla:
the audio
thingy?
kakobrekla: the link i passed here earlier also
touches
this.
decimation: eh, I guess I don't get
the immediate moral assignments of money
adlai: "money is bad, we need a resource-based economy" actually,
that would be
terrible. resources need metadata, enter money.
adlai: for great lulz, read up on
the venus project.
this is what some people counter at me when
they hear my excitement about bitcoin
adlai: bitcoin being completely fucking useless actually makes it an excellent currency, in
this sense -
the only
thing you can do with it is give it
to another "person", optionally in return for something else.
decimation: although it seems
that degree decreases every year
decimation: which is why we live in
the age of usd in
the first place,
the 'allies' in wwii still dominate
the world
to some degree
adlai: and will happily survive once fiat currency is long dead and forgotten, because might makes right, however sick and
twisted
that may be.
adlai: "fiat" also is older
than "fiat currency"
decimation: true,
the continued existence of bitcoin demonstrates
that
adlai: there's a palestinian MK who believes
that israel should be a people's democracy, rather
than a jewish democracy. is he running
the risk of not getting reelected? yes. will he get executed by government order? probably not.
adlai: fortunately,
the scope of interactions with
the
typical modern fiat institution isn't limited
to "friend or enemy"
decimation: one must immediately become
the enemy of every fiat-supported institution
that exists
decimation: adlai: imagine what would be required
to start 'raising awareness' of
the morality of printing money
adlai: 99% of
this channel doesn't see my roommate's atrocious dishwashing habits, or lack
thereof, as a problem - because
they're not aware of
them.
decimation: on
the other hand, 99.999% of
the world doesn't see it as a problem at all, and a good portion of
them also see it as a government's duty
adlai: i mean, it's right
there in
the name of
the channel...
TWICE
adlai: this is probably quite
the echo chamber for complaints about money printing :)
adlai: gaining unearned money by printing?
this devalues
the already-printed notes, so you have
to ask who are
the noteholders getting fucked by your press
adlai: my main
takeaway from
that article is
that moral judgements have
to be made in
the context of
the entire "game" where a
trade
took place, rather
than in
the context of
the
trade alone
adlai: uh: "Instead,
the point is
that earning money is, in general, something
to celebrate, not feel guilty about."
decimation: right, but it says an awful lot about
the morality of
trading money for
things
decimation: it's an easy scheme
to
thieve from common folks