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mircea_popescu: it contains such gems as "He went abroad with him, and brought home such a return as was to be expected from kindred honour and well reciprocated use."
asciilifeform: where's that
a111: Logged on 2018-03-14 04:52 ben_vulpes: they've always been my "wrong tool for every job"; i'd rather have a set of deep sockets in pretty much every situation.
mircea_popescu: actually, that's the famous http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-14#1787820 ☝︎
trinque: don't you want to use our prebuilt bins, citizen?
asciilifeform: trinque: i was never able to build it under orginary glibc either.
trinque: asciilifeform: I failed repeatedly to build chrome on musl, said "fuck it", dustbinned.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, in the new trilema header photo, is that geiger counter in left hand ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would like to see the hairball dissolve, with other hairballs, yes
mircea_popescu: honestly, the engine needs a rewrite anyway. and the rewrite needs our svg/html spec. and so following.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunned to 'rewrite x', e.g. phf has perfectly working framebuffer-only box nao
asciilifeform: if there were a pair of free hands -- would be great proj, remove gtkism from ye olde ff
asciilifeform: tbf i have utterly nfi why thing even needs gtk at all
mircea_popescu: that said, a svg-centric (as per prev log discussion) x-only (no gnome/kde/whatever bs) browser will prolly have to be written anyway.
asciilifeform: it dun make even the most elementary cut.
mircea_popescu: eh, certainly google's thing isn't on the list.
asciilifeform: ( not even talking of hygiene, but of simple 'can build?' )
asciilifeform: afaik none else is known to be buildable from sores at all
asciilifeform: prolly will end up the de-facto graphic browser
asciilifeform: i would say 'let's' but not equipped to say what was 'last good sores', near as i can tell the thing has sucked for as long as existed
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether trinque froze the sores of that thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just making a copy of their historical offerings.
asciilifeform: ( they aint got vtronics, so nfi what if anyffing their sig ~means~ )
mircea_popescu: https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/59.0b9/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-59.0b9.tar.bz2.asc << in other lulz, they even have sigs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly the proggy ~itself~ is likethat nao. 'special ed'. nfi why you'd want recent ver.
asciilifeform: aah y'mean the 'we know your os, and of course it's winblowz, here have a .exe' thing ?
mircea_popescu: there's this pantsuit trend of making websites from playdo. 0 levers, 0 anything, thick bright colors.
mircea_popescu: btw, in case anyone's pissed off at mozilla "download firefox" inanity, the list is here : https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/
asciilifeform: in older lulz, 1d 18h left on the https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-MacIvory-model-3-8-MW-in-an-Apple-Quadra-650-80-MB-9-GB-Genera-8-3/113428507092 auction; i'ma bid, and if can get for under 5 , will have the thing xray tomographied ( sadly i have a quite finite budget presently for the proj ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/UopiX >> 'GNU inetutils <= 1.9.4 telnet.c multiple overflows'
asciilifeform was obsessed with the item as a boy, and went and... built. but unsurprisingly was unable to come up with the kilowatt spark gap horror that'd actually make circuit close even 1ce
asciilifeform: ( semiconducts and then shorts and welds solid at the juncture! hence the early radiotelegraph's little hammer that whacked the tube each time it went conductive )
asciilifeform: consider early age of radio, with 'coherer' -- tube of iron filings , nobody had any idea how worked until 1980s (!) when somebody bothered to look and found that yes feo2 semiconducts
a111: Logged on 2018-12-11 22:29 mircea_popescu: i dunno that civ which can't make si ball can use pre-provided microscopic multers or w/e.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879874 << multers no , rectifiers -- yes ( diode was ~the~ mega-discovery, rather than transistor as commonly thought -- the latter is small variation on the former ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:59 asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
asciilifeform: ( per old thread formulation , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 + http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933192 ) ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: ( which is why icbm complex is just as essential 'petro tech' as the drill ! )
asciilifeform: re: petrowank : asciilifeform also not expert, but last i recall arabs were 'peaked' while ru ramping for 50+y and onwards; hence the pantsuit's perennial interest in picking up last reich's torch and 'spreading demoocracy' there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik beekeeping is closest thing we've got to 'ant automation'
mircea_popescu: speaking of "when world ended", this 2014-2015 winter might actually be the best not-after-this date
mircea_popescu: "These factors together worked to bring the actual NATO oil need under its allocation for the first time in the forty years since that allocation exists, and otherwise for the first time since the Industrial Revolution some centuries ago. It's really an incredible, history bending first, this" << http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/#selection-61.102-61.394
mircea_popescu: what, like growth of galena crystals guarded over by roc bird like in arab tales ?
mircea_popescu: point in case, programmable ants available since forever, we've yet to see ant-automation natives.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that civ which can't make si ball can use pre-provided microscopic multers or w/e. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( a la wootz -- i.e. 'we have nfi how this worx but here it is' )
asciilifeform: could've had transistor in 1700s-level, conceivably
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
asciilifeform: but yes will be interesting to walk in.
asciilifeform: i bet it's same sound as the particulate from the omnipresent powdered car windshields over here lol
mircea_popescu: crunches under feet with distinct sound, too.
mircea_popescu: well so come here some time, can go for a walk in it.
asciilifeform: and does the sand there look exactly like the ordinary ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck beach, arenal is a volcano.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orig thread was re beach sand, nitpick strictly there
asciilifeform: 1000+yrs of уравниловка (btw how do we say that in ro? i'd like to know) dun wear off so quickly.
mircea_popescu: dude. "microcrystalline obsydian". it's like silica glass, except volcano-made. it has planes and everything. what are you talking about ?
a111: Logged on 2018-12-11 21:44 mircea_popescu: not afaik. tho honestly the idiocy of "equity" as practiced in common law / intuited by the runts in every litter + their enablers is such monumental nonsense as i don't expect can be readily unpacked.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879840 << i suspect that it prolly unpacks ok if seen through lens of 'wooden civ' peasant, where 'errybody is roughly same, working same shit soil, so oughta have ~same harvest' ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty hard to get a good cutting edge from plain sio2 ( try it some time ). with glass ( i.e. with na as well as si & o ) you get the requisite shear. so cuts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta nitpick : quartz ( plain old sio2 ) != obsidian. in the latter, the volcanic ash dun simply colour it black, but gives crystal lattice a shear plane ( so you get that delish cutting edge the stone age folx like )
mircea_popescu: anyway, works ad interim as a fine heuristic. whosoever is preoccupied with fairness can be readily discarded as intellectually useless. it's either fairness or correctness, and all the rest of http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ flows necessarily.
diana_coman: it always sounded rather...menacingly/cold to me, lol; ash != sand I'd say
BingoBoingo: Then there's the Falta de Respecto y las otras faltas
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, so that Arenal area in CR is meant as...sands/sandy or what?
diana_coman: I can see it easily; it's a human right to have it easy in whatever definition of easy one might have floating by
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> do they also use "cuesta mucho" for "it's not fair"? it'd be quite on point at least from what I can tell << Around here they usually bitch about their derechos
mircea_popescu: not afaik. tho honestly the idiocy of "equity" as practiced in common law / intuited by the runts in every litter + their enablers is such monumental nonsense as i don't expect can be readily unpacked. ☟︎
diana_coman: since asciilifeform was asking re what does "it's not fair" mean - from what I can tell, precisely that: if one finds it hard, then it's not fair
diana_coman: do they also use "cuesta mucho" for "it's not fair"? it'd be quite on point at least from what I can tell
mircea_popescu: but back to the point : the only sort whom "los cuesta" to be thinking is the sort that really has no business here.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, spanish (which is terrible re cognates btw, it fails to distinguish between expecting [esperar] and hoping [esperancia] and so on) uses the same word for both "it's expensive" (cuesta mucho) and "i find it difficult" ("me cuesta").
diana_coman: I think it's simply a matter of effort-avoidance, what; i.e. change aka innovation is always "hard" so by consensus subversion will be attempted until ~all possible attempts are exhausted, sort of thing
mircea_popescu: nor what other incentive is there, for either, besides the "moron still wants to live and spawn".
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, thanks!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman on meditation, the innovation/subversion distinction is quite well founded.
asciilifeform: and also hate 'flying' exponents that make simple expression stand 40fuckingrows tall
phf: oh, i don't know what you guys achieved in html mode, because i'm looking at the result in lynx
phf: asciilifeform: you can also use console maxima to fixed width layout formulas for you
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths3.html for thread-completeness.
mircea_popescu: i think it prolly makes it more readable, and also has the merit of making the ad-hockery less ad-hockish/more rulebased.
mircea_popescu: might as well use wall of ( 3 tall if you're doing wall of |
asciilifeform: unless 1 of the experts chimes in today with unexpected pill.
asciilifeform: that's what it'll be then.
asciilifeform: ( still sad parens, but imho less outlandishly eye-bleeding than the mega-font variant ; lynx-friendly 'floor' )
asciilifeform: will post for the laughter and derision of audience shortly
a111: Logged on 2018-12-11 20:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're happy with fixwidth font and "works in terminal" i also don't see your problem, wrap in <pre> tags and so something like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4NHpp/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-12-11 20:19 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/ << Trilema -- How to html math ?
mircea_popescu: now, if you want "html maths", they're in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879782 ; if you want fixwidth terminal math, it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879777 ; if you want "just like by hand", it'll be either latex or yeah, a photograph of your having done it by hand / a bitmap of some mechanized version thereof. dunno that there's a way out of this. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: yes well. none of this works with a fixwidth display. not that i'm against having font scaling separate by heigh and width, but currently, it dun exist.
mircea_popescu: though in fairness, while the thickness displayed is exaggerated, what you do by hand is not SIMPLY shear it. you also thicken it some.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, i don't think they implemented arbitrary shearing of fonts.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "not turned up" lol. it's in the article i just linked you.
asciilifeform: ( if there existed a 'height' attribute for font, it would entirely solve. but i have not turned up any such thing existing. )
mircea_popescu: where, specifically ? http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2238#selection-997.5-1009.4 ? the sup/sub only work if you have simple exponents.
asciilifeform: was thinking it might be possible to somehow get this with ch14.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/ << Trilema -- How to html math ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: the annoying bit is that in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2238 i was able to make html do a very close approx to the customary formatting.
mircea_popescu: well, one or the other. there's no way to magic away the difference between gfx browser and fixwidth term.