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mircea_popescu: but... i don't design chips!
asciilifeform: it doesn't cure cancer, baldness, impotence, no.
mircea_popescu doesn't dispute any of this.
asciilifeform: if it seems 'hairy', it is only to folks who don't use 'rpn' calculator daily.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu please don't change profession to sapper.
asciilifeform: can't be sourced at runtime
asciilifeform: you wouldn't
mircea_popescu: that didn't play out as expected.
mircea_popescu: so why aren;t you buying the trunk line
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty obvious that it would be a rare thing. most folks don't have nyse seats.
asciilifeform: laugh all you like, but i can't picture things working, long-term, any other way
asciilifeform: trinque: setting '-peers' for nodes which 1) don't obey 'misbehave' bits 2) get served PRIORITY regardless of what
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't have ANYTHING -connect'ed
asciilifeform: but is RETARDED in that it creates a drone node that can't be connected to by anyone.
jurov: same in eu. can't find washmachine with <2 hour cycle anymore cuz "saves water and electricity"
mod6: it doesn't ask. derp.
ascii_field: that's because the output of 'encrypt' is a base64 turd that isn't expected to coexist with text the way a clearsigned string is.
mircea_popescu: i just tried this... it doesn't mutilate on encrypt/decrypt
mod6: i guess for me thats the one big thing, we can't have any mutilation of the patch files. or we'll just find ourselves banging our heads all the time.
mod6: <+danielpbarron> can't you unmutilate by using gpg --decrypt ? <+jurov> mod6 just do gpg --decrypt and it undoes it
jurov: well, if gpg can't undo it and it causes the patch to fail...then it fails.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225956 << maybe i've nbot given consideration enough time, but it seems to me that if something can not be made into a text file, that something can't be part of a computer program. the making/demaking necessarily can be automated. << i didn't understand that this problem could be side-stepped with gpg --decrypt ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well i don't feel equal to the task of restating the whole conversation as ongoing for past weeks / peaked today. i'll just say : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225521 ☝︎
ascii_field: can't read patches now ?
ascii_field: but reflecting on the fact that i don't always get 'out' of paste buffer what comes 'in'.
mircea_popescu: a magical distillate whereby i can read it and programs don't rape it. binartytext.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225956 << maybe i've nbot given consideration enough time, but it seems to me that if something can not be made into a text file, that something can't be part of a computer program. the making/demaking necessarily can be automated. ☝︎
ascii_field: custom as in opening up rusted shut things that i haven't adjusted for many years
ascii_field: i don't see why i oughta custom gpg, custom squirrelmail, custom shoelaces
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 18:54:25; mod6: if our idea is to clearsign patches and then submit them to deedbot, i urge you all to review this email and consider why that doesn't work:
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: regardless, can't rely on arbitrary string staying intact
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gavin doesn't know how mining works or is a liar.
ascii_field: 'i meant what i said, and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain a hundred percent'. go, rape, but that wasn't what i signed wazzit.
mircea_popescu: well calling it "binary" doesn't protect it you know, just confuses me. but i see what you mean.
ascii_field: didn't we just have this thread ?
ascii_field: can't post unmutilated - can't sign
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't even recall how or why cg is in there. mebbe chetty can shed a light
ascii_field: aha, this is why i haven't tried it yet personally
BingoBoingo: Turn out Eulora isn't completely Open Source yet.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << how aboot i buy you a vidcard ? Hard to stick in portable machine. Also problem isn't machine. Problem is cg isn't available as source or for OpenBDSM
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i still don't get it, why was it necessary to shit in a bath tub ?
mike_c: i concur, still doesn't verify. overflow-x did make the scrollbar appear all the way at bottom, still sucks. white-space: pre-wrap also works, and makes the line breaks look even worse, but content is at least all visible.
mircea_popescu: in victory radio news, the thing doesn't work anymore full stop.
mircea_popescu: isn't there a style that makes it wrap ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's one or the other it seems. either i <pre> it which makes it verify, but then linmes are fixed length. or else iu don't, which lets you read it, but ascii gets fucked.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: didn't hanbot teach us about the dangers of html and gpg earlier?
mike_c: html and pgp don't mix
mircea_popescu: at least it wasn't built with the ground up with getting laid in mind, so i guess there is that.
ascii_field: and didn't mircea_popescu eat it in french l0l
shinohai: I need to see someone's build log that doesn't mind sharing, I'm sire it will click what I'm not changing.
shinohai: binary still doesn't run on mah pogo so I did something wrong.
mircea_popescu: actually i have nfi why knuth's book isn't the basis of cs in the us.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the many ways and times qntra suffers the slings and arrows of DDoS. People just can't stop endorsing us this way
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225198 << blessfully, i don't think we're short these, by any sort of conceivable measure. nobody has that quality*count. we were however becoming a little short in organizing their effort, but i think that's resolving. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: poor mod6 can't catch a break around here
ascii_field: what it won't do is take the hash into account when patching
mod6: I think I need to see a concrete example of this - end to end. I just can't picutre it mentally.
ascii_field: colour me thick, but i still don't get where the 'crisis' is
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 please look at bigget picture, nto jsut to this one step << i think partly ... my general concern is my understanding of how this proposed system would work. this concern is based on the fact that when the current system was proposed, i had the oppertunity to speak out and put in my say in the matter, but I didn't understand it so I don't think I objected very much. and now look at where we are.
punkman: I wouldn't mind something like http://gogs.io/ but too much css I guess
mod6: it still doesn't help me view a base64 encoded submission to the deedbot
danielpbarron: deedbot isn't where you go to read it all; it's where you go to verify it all
trinque: I don't remember
danielpbarron: can't you unmutilate by using gpg --decrypt ?
mod6: if our idea is to clearsign patches and then submit them to deedbot, i urge you all to review this email and consider why that doesn't work: ☟︎
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: nope, i haven't digitized copies of these. but doesn't hurt to look around
gernika: punkman - I have the Ada 95 reference manual. Seems thorough. Also you can print out a copy of the GNAT User's Guide at Kinkos - which I've also done. Haven't actually made any progress in reading it but... Seems good by looking at TOC.
punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000144.html this won't truncate your debug.log unless you tell it to
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, I don't recognize those names you mentioned earlier
danielpbarron: 500 lines isn't enough
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 15:24:59; punkman: I don't want another VCS system. I just need a way to import patches in my existing VCS.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 15:04:31; shinohai: But not connecting to anyone at all isn't
punkman: I don't want another VCS system. I just need a way to import patches in my existing VCS. ☟︎
trinque: implementing a VCS isn't rocket science; it's just a matter of getting the abstractions right
trinque: no reason I can't add some html nav around that a la dpaste
mircea_popescu: jurov i wasn't proposing they be used as is.
shinohai: But not connecting to anyone at all isn't ☟︎
shinohai: T_T
shinohai: My node isn't connected to anyone again today *sigh*
asciilifeform: i will add, if it isn't obvious, that patches like the one i suggested will apply on a standard unix patch util
mircea_popescu: i didn't care for that.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how come it doesn't exist. must be a switch
mircea_popescu: of course in point of fact most viruses don't work.
asciilifeform: again with the meat models. in point of fact most viruses ~don't work~
jurov: mere switch to wiki won't solve it
mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
asciilifeform: won't blame people, but will say that the state of the ecosystem (i.e. what folks are building on) is in such a sad state that the only plausible solution is os standardization
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you dollars to anything that the reason you don't get deluged in that is simply that moist folks are too interdicted by the task to even attempt, soi we don't hear about 99% of compat issues
mircea_popescu: i don't even fully understand wtf hole we're filing. tho i think i understand a lot better right now than 3 hours ago.
mircea_popescu: suppose you can't read at the pace new ones get added.
asciilifeform: i never objected to folks using 'git', 'mercurial', etc. - only to the notion that anything that can't come out of a printer and then ocr'd back in could be the canonical representation of the path from pedigreed 0.5.3 to us
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea here is specifically that we want you to be in a position where the plane and chalkboard perspective doesn't loom.
asciilifeform: but would like to think that it isn't, aha
mircea_popescu: it's not effectual and won't scale is the dispute.
asciilifeform: plenty of folks who aren't the least 'phd' have built, and are running, the thing
asciilifeform: i just don't see it, really
mircea_popescu: the only kingdom of heaven accessible to earthlinks is fucking reading and signing patches. don't want it, fine, but don't get fucking existential on me on your deathbed about how you wasted your life. yes, you have. shoulda not have.
mircea_popescu: not how it works. it has A LOT of upside and virtually no downside. what ELSE are you going to do with that "money" if you don't go to the market ? and what ELSE are you going to do with that certain time and alleged expertise if not sign this stuff ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225151 << this proposition is false. similarly, going to the market has "all downside and no upside" for goers : they know for a fact they'll spend money. and who knows if the stuff they get will be any good, won't spoil en route, won't get stolen before they get home or for that matter won't sprout heads and tentacles and eat them. so let's "safely" aka stupidly round th ☝︎
mircea_popescu: doesn't, in mine, in any case.