asciilifeform: re unusual dc structures -- year or 2 ago, microshit apparently stole, from the l0gz, the notion of submerging dc in ocean. ( at least for purpose of pr, nfi whether in fact sold any rack slots in these. but there was a photoreportage w/ much fanfare . )
asciilifeform: ( naturally, the chiller plant, as well as quite obviously the outgoing pipe, gotta come out... )
asciilifeform: re marketing gimmick of 'bunker' -- it is actually commonplace to locate dc under ground.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re older logs -- we'll sync these when mircea_popescu comes home to where he had the archive he had fed to phf in '16 . (or perhaps earlier, if phf comes back from grave..)
asciilifeform: the new plants will have proper ventilation, no moar flea market box fan.
asciilifeform: hunting presently for rails, ps, an' the remaining boxen
asciilifeform: ( no moar boards sitting in open air )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've ordered 1u carcasses for the rk and apu1 plants , and will be machining the fittings for the internals in the next weeks.
asciilifeform: from 'i lost mah keez!111 and pgp obsolete!' zimmerman, to this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: almost interesting how monotonously 'same' these 'funtoos' are.
asciilifeform: had, apparently, the nerve, to 'after', lol
asciilifeform: me neither (and if anyone can think of a 3rd variant that i've omitted, plox to write in.)
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm actually all for offering it as a preconfigged variant of rk . my objections were 100% re the traditional variant, where all packets nominally become part of an indistinct outgoing soup via 1 shared ip.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm 100% through enumerating, lol. will go into read mode for a spell, if trinque has specific 'get this obv. $item through yer thick head!' i will read.
asciilifeform in fact encountered several working cases of 'uci'-style nets, set up by various folx, for this
asciilifeform: it'd be ideal use for a 'uci' net, yes
asciilifeform: trinque: and you think this can be done via a 200MB/s pipe in BingoBoingostan ??
asciilifeform: i thought idea (of orig thrd) was re how to monetize a large monolithic multicpu box.
asciilifeform: if each 1 gets own rk, it'd have to cost at least same as what rk presently priced.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my education, work through example where vpn customer starts sending spam. how do i even determine ~which one it was~ w/out loudly and publicly breaking the promise to the customers which makes the idea of relay appealing to start with ?
asciilifeform: spammers, however, sadly do exist, and pose the obvious headache, the vendor that'll supply bw for ~arbitrary~ packets, no matter of what, does not afaik exist (outside of perhaps pyongyang]
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm not even convinced that 'pedos' in the contemplated sense , physically exist. it's simply the costume usg puts on when bulldozing isps.
asciilifeform: trinque: could easily offer e.g. rk w/ preconfigged whatevers. but do you suppose these '20s' will pay 70 $ for 10kB/s , instead of lulazon's 3 $ / 100MB/s ?
asciilifeform: trinque: what means 'of you' ? setting up packet relay on a leased box aint exactly high arcana
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the economics of selling vpnism relays
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a piece where 'if malpractice suits cost 100,000 $ and chance is 0.1%, procedure aint ever costing anywhere close to 100 $ '
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rright, all except for the inevitable customer who opens 'pedo paradise' and incurs 12,000 $ worth of bill
asciilifeform: trinque: maybe i'ma tard ? where in free world do i buy for 3 $ the GB/s bandwidth i can then sell to a weev for 3 $ ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't even touched on the ethical q of whether one ought to help usg herd the illiterate 'weevs' into gasenwagen by peddling faux-'anonimities'. disputing rather the very idea that ~anyone~ actually turns a profit in 'vpnism' other than by cashing cheques directly from washington.
asciilifeform: trinque: dun mistake asciilifeform's pos. for 'it is loathesome, ergo i want no part in selling'. rather, describing why the product only even appears to exist because is convenient bait for usg fish hooks in the 1st place. consider, how could supply a warez bandwidth for people who expect to pay 3 $ / mo ? i dun even know if possible to supply a length of rope with which they can hang selves, for 3 $ !
asciilifeform: btw, for n00bz : try some time and actually subscribe to a 'vpnism'. you'll quickly see 9000 spam/day offering other products for the irredeemably-gullible, same as if you order 'colloid silver' or similar snake oil. it's a conveniently-affixed leper's bell on obvious, broad-daylight scamola of erry kind, they trade lists of chumps
asciilifeform: all the pseudo-solutions reduce to variations on the tired old theme of 'tor'.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is solidly convinced that vpnism, aka 'hide my ip!1111' derpery, is a fundamentally braindamaged 'solution' to a fundamentally misconceived problem. (to which the 1 and only possible ~actual~ solution is a 100% gossipd-style net which treats the older ip net the way the latter treats ethernet & co.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the tree trunk in asciilifeform's eye, the mote in other's, simply examples!111
asciilifeform: diana_coman: backlog on conveyor 1000km long
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this aint even the most egregious example, there's trb patches ~by asciilifeform~ that have since been reground that iirc i haven't signed yet
asciilifeform: ( aand w/ errybody involved having already left 'the big zone'. )
asciilifeform: i entirely wouldnt mind trying to serve that market; but suspect that it would need to be done from pyongyang, rather than montevideo.
asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
asciilifeform: this also touches so far strictly cost of pipe, and omits cost of disposal of the 1st 'genius' who starts serving 'pedo club' or spam emporium or whatever other attractive nuisance via his acct
asciilifeform: each of whom would be willing to pay perhaps even equiv of 20bux/mo. i.e. collectively not even 10% cost of that pipe ..
asciilifeform: most immediately yes. current pipe would comfortably seat -- and that's if it were otherwise empty -- perhaps 4 or 5 warez leechers
asciilifeform: trinque: re 'build for from whom', i cannot possibly disagree. but extremely skeptical that vpnism ~can~ be supplied economically by honest (i.e. not subsidized by washington) vendor, even in principle.
asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
asciilifeform: there's defo a... market, for vpnism, just like there is a market for 'mail drops' to relay goods bought with stolen cc's, etc. just not clear that it's a market you'd want to be involved in.
asciilifeform: trinque: principal difficulty re 'vpn' is 1) it's a fundamentally dumb product 2) attracts nuisances which reliably draw fire ( spam, frontal baitings of usg , etc ) 3) reqs ridiculous amt of pipe
asciilifeform: lol at least not asked if needs 'keybase' yet..
asciilifeform: trinque: atm there is 'wp service'. can't presently think what else could offer
asciilifeform: reliably good for 5-6 lethal 0day erry month, these
asciilifeform: and, moreover, leave 0 footprint of just-which user set off the boojum.
asciilifeform: atm bar is set scandalously low. pretty much anyone can format hdd (or subtler vandalism) of a shared linux box he has any form of acct on, with week or 2 of effort.
asciilifeform: trinque: the namespaces thing does 0 against kernel privescs. which are ~dime/dozen.
