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asciilifeform: they do need occasional testing.
asciilifeform: only if mircea_popescu wants to test the turrets.
mircea_popescu: isn't it sort-of strange how this works ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is not the best time to bring up the barbecuran.
asciilifeform: but this is a subject covered in painstaking detail in many other places.
asciilifeform: in many cases these folks are literally 'employed' to create chaos - as in, they get a pension, in return for... doing just that
asciilifeform: their purpose is to terrorize the native population, for a variety of useful purposes (bolster seekoority state; keep real estate prices in less-afflicted zones high; etc)
asciilifeform: very simple formula: the 'barbarians' are in fact employees of the swedish (french, british, american - each case) government, aka usg, in good standing.
BingoBoingo: In that case embassy lives in the shadows
BingoBoingo: Question is will they ever care to.
asciilifeform: when does the actual gov of se (northern caliphate) send replacement embassy to washington.
assbot: Muslim Gangs Terrorize 55 Neighborhoods, Police Powerless | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJLo90 )
assbot: [Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJK9GN )
mircea_popescu: sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ?
thestringpuller: !up tsp_2
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "hashname" << have ye unleashed the valkyrie on reddit?
ben_vulpes intends to run an open relay node - openly disclosed as such for those in the mood to twiddle knobs
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes granted. i just mean... so they do,more power to em.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought it's implicit in the spec, in the "receiver decides if to relay" : you can configure a client to pass, to user or other clients, whatever you wish
mircea_popescu: freedom is this, not something else.
mircea_popescu: just as long as i can isolate the redditd from my machine, the people who want to be in there are more then welcome to their own choices.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's no value in imposing values for poeople.
asciilifeform: for the radio aficionados among us, let's call it 'squelch'
asciilifeform: incidentally i don't recall if any of you lot suggested this, but: max-graph-degrees knob.
ben_vulpes: doubtful, see the ever prolix reddit.
ben_vulpes: the structure of the thing implies many wots.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha but you cannot really have this, unless you - in particular - or one of your peers - wants to create a public toilet for spam and give it peerage
asciilifeform: (i forget if this was mircea_popescu's terminology in the original article, or not)
assbot: Broadcast Transaction - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1s6D7Mt )
asciilifeform: which then propagates to your peers
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: rather more like bitcoin - in that you introduce messages into the net by loading them into your own cell
ben_vulpes: i imagine a steady-state future where people operate gossipd cells in much the same way that ircd's are operated on fleanode.
ben_vulpes: forgive the extremely poorly articulated comment.
ben_vulpes: how does someone relay a message to a cell and from a cell to another cell?
mircea_popescu: i suppose once webchat is enabled you could use that.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you propose to use the hypothetical gizmo without running a cell ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: trick is that two directly-connected cells may as well be exchanging signed msgs. but relayed msgs (in, e.g., cells a -> b -> c, from a to c) are 'gossip' - that is, 'deniable.'
mircea_popescu: join the club.
ben_vulpes: confession time, i know nothing about the arcana of irc modes
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative. << your sought "morale hit"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc, a good bit of that stuff -was- preserved in writing - of a kind. e.g., 'broadside ballads'
asciilifeform: 'work is the curse of the drinking class' !
mircea_popescu: it was not preserved in writing because the mps of the time did not see itworthy of their wot.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Only really differs in that some outside idiots consider things that emerge from there as worthy of consideration as virtue, instead of vice as in the case of English gin. <<< there;'s tons of "gin as virtue" songs and oral liuterature.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Maybe your connection just needs to be less wonh
ben_vulpes: yeah but how come BingoBoingo gets to !up and not me
asciilifeform: just not necessarily the one you might like
ben_vulpes: me too.
asciilifeform: and the basic notion of working folks to death in a mine - is ancient.
BingoBoingo: Leopold tried on a harsher continent.
asciilifeform: what ideas. spain was there long first.
BingoBoingo: Leopold, that man had ideas.
asciilifeform: perhaps we should refer to this as 'belgian' method
asciilifeform: that is, there is a fence to keep folks from leaving; they are left to fend for selves for food and water within the confines; and if the weekly quota of $metal is not brought to the gates in timely manner, there are public educaxecutions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm expecting to end up in an inca-style, rather than soviet-style, camp
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Naturally. I still wait for California's Seirra Nevada range to be inverted in the quest for rare minerals and to create H2O reservoir capacity to sustain the prisons and work farms.
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 19:19:35; mircea_popescu: chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous. << this is what happens when small penis messes with big penis.
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love this. << lord am i
BingoBoingo: Only really differs in that some outside idiots consider things that emerge from there as worthy of consideration as virtue, instead of vice as in the case of English gin.
asciilifeform: does 'reddit' really differ in any fundamental way, as a basic urban treadmill, from 1700s english gin, or roman circuses ?
asciilifeform: i'd guess more of a #2 than 1
mircea_popescu: independence is predicated on something other than being a redditor.
mircea_popescu: it will work fine in the world of the future
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kind of thing worked in 'tribal' structure, where most folks are reasonably 'close to the soil' and grow/kill the necessities of life personally. i suppose it also works in a concentration camp - though, iirc, these also typically have a kind of scrip and so aren't entirely free of currency.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Currency generally is in the hands of a selected few, this situation where every man woman and child holds some is an exception, and I suspect coming to an end.' << i recall being shown, as a boy, an 1890s ru coin that 'would feed a family for a month!111!!'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: In is not the only scarce mineral.
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure pNohe sellers could find a way to make resistive touchscreens fashionable again.
asciilifeform: it's an elementary 'who at this table starves last' situation
undata: asciilifeform: seems like an economic meltdown would also decrease the demand for those for new iPhones
asciilifeform: quite a few increasingly scarce strategic minerals, all across mendeleev table.
mircea_popescu: that's one of those large excavators
assbot: Hai sa facem si noi de-astea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1s6wee4 )
mircea_popescu: just, lemme fish this out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The notion that gold supply does not increase a lot is predicated on obsolete technology. Gold supply would increase quite a lot, and in really harmful ways involving cyanide, if it seriously became monetized.' << iirc, cyanidation was SOP since 1890s.
undata: "and then the ashes of their apps were all that remained"
mike_c: ^ it is also illegal to sell them.. such bullshit.
asciilifeform: just like you can't spend subway tokens outside of the subway.
asciilifeform: really the definition, if there is one, of 'scrip.'
asciilifeform: at some point, usd will no longer be a 'convertible' unit. completing its transition to equivalent of the soviet ruble.
asciilifeform: admittedly, a peculiar kind of scrip, for which one can get certain things overseas (for the time being)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Let them have scrip, will be good enough for them...' << usd is not already scrip ?
assbot: Oil theory pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zUVnGp )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/#comment-111275 perhaps of broad interest seeing the fork war context.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad. invite them over.
Apocalyptic: "mircea_popescu:i must say, incidentally, i thoroughly enjoyed this discussion." // so did I, thanks for the priceless logs
assbot: Lawmaker’s Facebook rant threatens media for “unauthorized” use of his name | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1zURjpq )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/lawmakers-facebook-rant-threatens-media-for-unauthorized-use-of-his-name << turns out we have these here.
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's always encrypted, so what do you mean text ?
asciilifeform: jurov: and what is that gnarly pythonism.
asciilifeform: artifexd: text?! wtf
cazalla: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp's line is the 4th and they didn't announce before then. so if it was earlier still time for customers to get fucked pertending deposit addressses are theirs. <<< and there is still the issue of what amount of coins will not honoured by bitstamp after the annoucement
cazalla: mircea_popescu: HOWEVER. one of those addresses is http://bitbet.us/stats/1QJRfCctSz7BLriE7CiF5LefBXJgm6Jcax/ <<< isn't this just a case of someone using their bitstamp deposit address for bitbet payouts, even kakobrekla mentioned this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965903 ☝︎
jurov: i liked http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/8.2.0/api/twisted.protocols.amp.html but did not try it in practice
artifexd: Binary would mean shorter messages because fingerprint a would only take up 20 bytes (instead of 40) and keys would not have to be armored. Text would make the flow easier to read/debug but the data would necessarily take up more space.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: Regarding gossipd, do you have any preference for the data flowing over the wire as binary or text?
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform will fly to conf3 on a pig, if this happens << The Fairchild "WartHog"???
asciilifeform will fly to conf3 on a pig, if this happens
BingoBoingo: "Attacks cell walls" You know just what penicillin and the rest of the beta-lactams do: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/antibiotic-breakthrough-ends-25-year-discovery-drought.html
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.