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ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> have no idea why
they haven't split
the node from
the wallet << mostly
time.
undata: yeah, given a sane interface
to feed
transactions all manner of other programs can do as
they please
thestringpuller: have no idea why
they haven't split
the node from
the wallet
ben_vulpes: ^^
that behavior actually blows
the wallet concept entirely pu
thestringpuller: who needs a wallet when you can just create
the
transaction offline, and
then feed
the finalized
thing
to
the node
kakobrekla: well i wasnt expecting an answer at all
tbh.
ben_vulpes: spreadsheet or org mode file should be adequate for
the user of "angry five"
ben_vulpes: lol one can concieve of all sorts of
things asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: or rather, notion
that bitcoind should bear responsibility for
tracking your coinholdings.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> []
the default change behaviour is asinine (owing
to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
assbot: Elmer__FUD comments on Peter
Todd on
Twitter: "With Bitstamp on Amazon AWS,
there's a high probability
that some
Three Letter Agency has a copy of
their databases; expect zero privacy." ... (
http://bit.ly/1A48GnR )
undata: some kenmore one claims
to detect
the
turdliness of
the dishes
themselves
undata: maybe it measures how
turdly
the water draining out
the bottom is? iono
ben_vulpes: now
the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water
to derp into itself,
that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
ben_vulpes: what kinds of smarts can
the
thing possibly have
ben_vulpes: dafuq does
this dishwasher get off claiming a "smart wash" mode?
mircea_popescu: you've never killed anyone ? what's a rifle
to you ? get a dildo.
mircea_popescu: if you kill fifty people a day and it's giving you carpal, get an ak do it faster.
that i see.
mircea_popescu: i don't go down
the street carrying a horse. or a boat.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean
the article's a scandal, i just mean, it being so long is scandalous.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where is
this long article you've been working on all day?
PeterL: Socal has nice weather, but
the people ruin it
PeterL: ha, I can be hard
to please sometimes
mircea_popescu: anyway, socal is where
the really easy skanks / surfer dudes / rednecks live.
PeterL: but wouldn't
that be in Northern California?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: 'tis a reference
to
the homeland of
the social networks
PeterL: are
they located in socal?
PeterL: I suppose
they could be marketing,
trying
to get companies
to sign up for
their service?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i
toured
the offices.
they have like 30+ employees
PeterL: speaking of bitpay ... are you ever going
to put F.DERP shares for sale?
thestringpuller: funny how bitstamp's "survival" is front page news but
this isn't
thestringpuller: asciilifeform i hope
they model an AI construct after you one day.
ben_vulpes: stan
the key you signed
those patches with has expired
thestringpuller: "That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping
tiger
that has no
teeth make sure you can see his gums"
kakobrekla: not yet, but its weekend now,
they are prolly drinking in some bar.
mircea_popescu: the author
thought he "covered"
the economics involved.
then it
turned out
the author had no fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: i forget its name, but it doesn't matter,
the principle is
the same.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
this is exactly like
that alt coin
that went nowhere which was going
to give everyone with bitcoin as many of
the altcoin as
they had bitcoin
thestringpuller: funny how even
trying
to dumb
the article down, people still don't get
that
mircea_popescu: so
the only way
to have bitcoin is 1:1 identity in all respects.
mircea_popescu: 1
tx is say 400 bytes. if i split 1k btc into 1k 1 btc
txn
that's 400kb. if i dump 400kb on
the network as it is now, about half would be put into a block immediately.
thestringpuller: so in order
to defend
the attack gavin would have
to include code
to keep 1:1 parity with
the main-chain while his blocks are minted
thestringpuller: by statistics alone,
the
transaction will very greatly in each chain
thestringpuller: also, isn't it impossible
to guarentee gigachain has 1:1 parity with main-chain?
mircea_popescu: so
they scam
the userbase more
than
the userbase scams
them
mircea_popescu: in practice i';d expect
them
to separate
their funds immediately, and only pay out gavincoins.
mircea_popescu: working on
the assumption of naive exchange, of course.
Apocalyptic: this would work only until
the input
the exchange is spending for your withdrawal is on both chains
mircea_popescu: cold wallets may save
them
to some degree, but it's pretty random.
mircea_popescu: so yes, separate your gavincoins, send
to exchange, withdraw. see if it replies with a bitcoin+gavincoin pair, if so separate it again.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron no, it works just fine. gavincoin has
to accept both bitcoin and gavincoin
txn.
this writes free options
to everyone in bitcoin
that gavincoin is held
to honor regardless.
danielpbarron: yes
that's what i mean; withdraw, split, send fake-coins back into exchange, repeat
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: May be possible. I'd count double spending your coins yourself
to seperate forks before using
them in anger.
danielpbarron: if
the hard fork happens, it should be possible
to cycle funds in and out of exchanges
that are dumb enough
to switch, splitting away real-bitcoin whenever
the withdraw gives you an output
that hasn't been doublespent yet -- or is
this possibility
too good
to be
true?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, reads like
the only reasonable answer so far
thestringpuller: As Louis Armstrong said, "As I
think
to myself, was I ever
this dumb?" LOL
thestringpuller: where you get unplugged and see all
this crazy shit and at some point you hack back in and see all
the dumb people completely unaware of
there shit