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decimation: and
that appears
to completely contradict constitutional and court precedent
mircea_popescu: because
that's why we go
to school : so we can present our inquiries in such a way
that OTHER PEOPLE can fucking grok wtf we want
to know
decimation: because
the implication of both cameron's and obama's answer is "no"
decimation: well,
there's an issue of policy here, which is "is a us person allowed
to communicate in a manner outside
the possibility of usg interception?"
mircea_popescu: currently it bleeds into
teh bash. dun wanna put an "echo "/n"" in
there .
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can
there be a /n after each otp before encryption pls.
mircea_popescu: no,
there shouldn't be a way
to compel an answer. wtf ?!
mircea_popescu: that's not what you say. you say, "as you may be aware, because
this so and so weakness in
this part of
the engine
that does
that and
this, some drivers are so and so.". guy needs an intro.
mircea_popescu: this is roughly
the equivalent of a company with 10k cab fleet having famously a weak alternator, and some reporter asking
the CEO "what about
the spinny
trick ?"
decimation: the
trouble is
there's no method
to compel an answer
decimation: well, certainly it ought
to be something he answers in writing, in detail
mircea_popescu: and it's not how you ask
the president
that question, either.
decimation: yeah, actually from his rambling answer in
the linked youtube (starting 45:30),
there's very little evidence obama is even aware about
the 'backdoor encryption' issue at all
mircea_popescu: lotta hay made out of how "the queen snubbed obama'. but
the guy's just not very aware. which looked
to me like a very very
tired man
that's being constantly pestered with advice and requirements by about 9 spinster women.
mircea_popescu: decimation he goes
to
toast
the queen.
the athem's going on so queen ignores him.
mircea_popescu: decimation have you seen
the "toasting
the queen"
thing ?
decimation: other
than vague "we work with companies who also have families", which is exactly
the same argument one gets from
the local mobster I presume
decimation: or
to be more precise, he failed
to make remarks when asked
the question
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mircea_popescu: so
that !gettrust mircea_popescu 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 responds with "trust from mircea_popescu
to mircea_popescu : so an so"
mircea_popescu: i want !gettrust
to match any 32 char string as a key rather
than a name
PeterL: for assbot, now I have
to use
the mouse
to highlight
the new link, and
type
the commands
PeterL: well, for gribble I have script
that runs curl and gpg and pastes
the result
mircea_popescu: that way, it wouldn't have
to do
two steps, just directly gettrust
to a keyid.
mircea_popescu: 2.2. Bot makes a request
to assbot via pm, of
the format ;;gpg info --key <key currently
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 2.1. Bot extracts
the signature keyid
through a process homologuous
to gpg -v -v
kakobrekla: <PeterL> new voicing model, we still have
to join #b-a before verifying otp < yes, no session, recall?
mircea_popescu: the workload pain will probably be far exceeded by
the cries of horror of
the large hordes of nobodies
that can no longer "innovate", in
the sense
their gunk is no longer included in repos
mircea_popescu: davout depends how much crap you're wiling
to hoist overboard.
PeterL: new voicing model, we still have
to join #b-a before verifying otp
davout: i have nfi what kind of workload it would represent
to make some linux fork
that's entirely reviewed, assume it'd be pretty massive
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2015 01:06:05; PeterL: having
the same for voice would make it so our scripts from gribble would be easily convirtable
davout: it appears
that if we want
to make a proper apple pie from scratch we'll have
to invent
the universe first
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other
than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code
to come with a counter.
davout: meant yesterday's log as it seems it has come up quite a few
times already :D
davout: you don't refer
to yesterday's convo do you?
mircea_popescu: read
the log
thread in question
tho, it's instructive. about how
the point is
to have code signed for having been read.
mircea_popescu: this occurs
to you
through having read
the logs re
the new github model / how
the bitcoin foundation works or independently ?
davout: so, re yesterday's convo about go and c it occurs
to me
that b-a will eventually have
to have a reviewed & signed code repo
decimation: there's a deep hypocrisy here somewhere. apparently
the usg entities who are involved with foreign surveillance couldn't possibly do
their jobs if
they were subject
to 'regulation', but of course regular people
trying
to say,
transact bitcoin, have no such reprieve
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2015 21:14:09; kakobrekla: ^^ re chf, a few folks committed suicide
today cause of it.
ben_vulpes: does anyone know when
the
transaction index was added?
mircea_popescu: (romania, unlike
the us, actually keeps
track of unserviced retail debentures)
mircea_popescu: better off if half
the "community" gets upset and moves on
to collecting bugs or digging
trenches or whatever,
than if programming becomes a sort of passtime for
trench diggers and worm afficionados.
mircea_popescu: tolerance is not
the answer
to any question worth asking, and it does not serve any purpose other
than
the general drowning in shit. which is not a desirable outcome in any case.
mircea_popescu: every
time you see someone being stupid, piss on his face.
this is important for
them, and it's important for me.
mircea_popescu: it's not gratuitous, all
this. it provides a very valuable signal, both
to
the inferior and
to
the superior.
mircea_popescu: but also why a certain attitude
to ineptitude, from
the "affirmative action", "wopmen in
tech" "don't say nigger" all
the way
to stupidities like
the equalitarism in freenode's policies is so very important. and why linus' "fuck you" is such a major
thing.
decimation: well, apparently he confirmed
that redhat was itself a ship of lemmings, looking for a lemming-king, and lennart was
their man
mircea_popescu: kinda why stuff like
the wot-foss i was discussing and even gossipd are so important
mircea_popescu: in any case,
the entire lennart gambit is
that "actually smart people won't be able
to find each other in our sea of lemmings"
mircea_popescu: giving inept infantrymen good horses doesn't create an elite cavalry regiment, it just creates a lot of injured horses. giving stupid people smart
things doesn't make
them smart. it'll just make a lot of broken smart
things.
mircea_popescu: kinda why "adoption" is meaningless. i don't care for anyone
to "adopt" anything i do. i might care if
they change
to fit
to it. but otherwise, good fucking luck,
there's no value in having a bunch of pacific islanders speak english as if it were
the retarded language
they spoke before.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
there's nothing wrong with
the people who didn't belong in foss in
the first place finding
their own way out, just like
there's nothing wrong with
the people who have no business in bitcoin finding
their own way out.
mircea_popescu: "because
they have no political power - and
that's what you want, a lot of lemmings"
mircea_popescu: LP: Yeah, and
this is great –
these are
the people you want
to have, because
the vast majority of patches are actually of
that kind. "
mircea_popescu: "in
the most superficial level, some used -h for help, and others ––help. It’s not uniform." << i can't name a
tool
that doesn't actually honor both.
mircea_popescu: course,
the prospect is a lot grim-er for linux, but hey.
mircea_popescu: the lulz is so
thick, considering
the playbook is identically replayed with
the gavincoin
mircea_popescu: ". It’s growing all
the
time and now handles logging, device hotplugging events, networking, scheduled actions (like Cron) and much more. Almost every major Linux distribution has adopted Systemd, but
there are still some unhappy campers out
there,"
undata: well
that lays bare
the abstractions rolling around in
that gourd, doesn't it
decimation: later on he describes people who like systemd as "progressive" and
those who reject it as 'conservative'
decimation: he
tries
to make a halfass
technical argument against Upstart, and
then whines
that it's hard
to make commits
decimation: something could be improved.
They do a Git checkout, do one change, send you it and forget about it."
decimation: "So anyway, long story short, we came
to
the conclusion
that Upstart is conceptually wrong, and it moved at glacial speeds. It also had
the problem
that Canonical
tried very hard
to stay in control of it.
They made sure, with copyright assignment,
that
they made it really hard
to contribute, but
that’s what Linux actually lives off. You get
these drive-by patches, as I would call
them, where people see
that something is broken, or
undata: decimation: I wasn't aware of
that particular detail
decimation: "So we started writing Systemd, and Red Hat didn’t like it at all. Red Hat management said: no, we’re going for Upstart, don’t work on
that. So I said, OK, I’ll work on it in my free
time. Eventually Red Hat realised
that
the problems we solved with Systemd were relevant, and were problems
that needed
to be solved, and
that you couldn’t ignore
them."
decimation: it's pretty obvious
that
the guy is a control freak who gets off on forcing his way
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decimation: in some states (illinois) you must register all your guns with
the state