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a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:30 asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs
TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense
to pgp
to asciilifeform . i'ma not post
the raw docs and
their yellowdots.
mircea_popescu: well, so in simple
terms, is 'your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going
to dump
the whole
thing on
the internet"' a factual claim or isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you did, but as a factual matter it's not clear
to me.
mircea_popescu: so now. is
the case as you publicly present it, "phf has been not helping for year +" or is
the case as he publicly presents it, "i
tried
to help a year ago but granularity didn't match and
then he went on a campaign of fuming about whisperers ''in general''
transparently in reference
to
the particuylar case and i was stuck sitting and listening
to it."
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:58 phf: asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about
the dump in
the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going
to dump
the whole
thing on
the internet", i've attempted
to communicate
to you
that further value can be extracted from
that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction
to
that was
to start
talking about whisperers etc. and
then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
mircea_popescu: and now im in
the unenviable position of
thinking about nonsense. look here asciilifeform :
the man says
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881968 and what am i
to do ? remember
that you're one of
the principal idiots who decided
to run
their pizarro process
throgh a encryptospitball, and before
that you came up with
the brilliancy
that was "secret clauses" in pizarro nearly got ben_vulpes beheaded.
☝︎ phf: asciilifeform: wait, what? i said
that _our_ approaches _both_ are _0_.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 phf: i
took saeculum promises specifically
to assist with republican work. i
think
that dumping
this dump as is is short sighted, because
the dump by weight is garbage, and will
trivially identify all involved. i want
to at least evaluate what's in it
that can be of assistance
to asciilifeform, an identification
that became necessary only a week ago.
phf: asciilifeform: i have no issues with unfriendliness of your approach or it's secret busting nature. i'm
trying different approach, and so far our success is identical in
that it's 0. we're at a point where our mutual approaches can benefit, yet you deny me mine, periodically insulting it in creative ways.
phf: asciilifeform: hence i said "but you won't
take my word for it" yeah?
phf: asciilifeform: you suspect wrongly, but you won't
take my word for it either.
mircea_popescu: there's no direct way
to resolve
this in
the shot-over-bow manner, and you
two have
the disadvantage
that being very unlike personalities with very unlike personal histories, you apparently get on each other's nerves.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach
to
this is
to find compromise, i've volunteered all
the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point
that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate
to him. is
this approach not acceptable? it seems
that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state,
that might or might not help
mircea_popescu: right. anyways, carrying on :
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << in
the practical
terms of doing
things,
the problem of unknowns stands
that
the man with a need and no chest doesn't know what
to ask from
the chest and
the man with
the ches and no need doesn't know what
to send him.
☝︎ phf: mircea_popescu: i act out of character once, and it's
to my disadvantage. i got
the original point, i didn't at any point expect
that
there's a way
to avoid it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm still discussing
the line i quoted, i'm not yet at current log.
mircea_popescu: what, if i hadn't said "you know, you can't propose whatever
tards
trump republican interest"
that'd have ended up baked into precedent ? and what, i'm supposed
to not notice
this ? i notice.
mircea_popescu: now, as
to me personally, i find your behaviour deeply offensive for
the following reason : i do not believe you speak accidentally, you're much
too meticulous and lengthily silent for
that.
the only reconstruction of
today's discussion
that stands my read is, "well, at first he
tried line x, see if
they're morons enoujgh
to buy it ;
that failed, regroupped
to line y".
mircea_popescu: there's a long history of "fuckers, phuctor" specifically driven by
this behaviour, so no, it's not liable
to be popular in general.
phf: asciilifeform: if i followed your lead on
this subject i would've had nothing. for all i know right now i still have nothing. i don't understand how you can't seem
to connect
that
the answer
to "how did you do it??" is in what i'm doing. if i'm not giving you anything, it's because i don't have it, or i don't know if i have it, which is something for me
to evaluate.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach
to
this is
to find compromise, i've volunteered all
the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point
that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate
to him. is
this approach not acceptable? it seems
that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state,
that might or might not help
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << i suspect
the approach is particularly chaffind
to asciilifeform because childhood
trauma, "older brother keeping
the good chocolate
to eat with his gf". but
this aside, it is problematic because it very much smacks of usg-style "here's
the conclusions of some measurements we're not publishing".
☝︎ phf: asciilifeform: well, what's
the point of me saying
things and
then you still stick
to your original conceptions?
phf: asciilifeform:
that is where we fucking started.
phf: how much of
this is genuine interest
to replicate
the damn
thing and how much of
this is just a blind "i want, now now now"?
phf: there's no "docs", it's not some kind of mother lode of all
things bolix. fwiw i went into as excited and with
the same expectations you're imagining right now.
there was a set of printed papers
that primarily existed in pre-ivory days.
they are mostly related
to e.g. mechanical layout of
the boards (the bulk of stuff was e.g. machining parameters of motherboards and cases, something i didn't even
touch)
phf: i've spent significant amount of
time in
the snap4 also, looking particularly at
the ns bug, i've played with
the relevant instruction. it's not missing, it's apparently not buggy either,
there's nothing
to publish.
throttling
the emu seems
to eliminate it
though
phf: you can now run your emulator "stably" by simply downclocking it
to xl speeds
phf: because you're going
to run into
timing issues as soon as you speed it up anywhere past xl speeds
phf: in order
to run orig soft stably you need
the os source code
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock
through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
phf: asciilifeform: i actually remember
that one, but you'll have
to
trust me
that my assumption on reading
this was
that you had debugging scaffolding in order
to observe its operation, because reading layers of bolix<-alpha<-x86 code is not particularly enlightening. you've since acquired
the source and clearly opted for electron microscope route.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 23:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did describe earlier, having concluded a few yrs ago
that it is cheaper, easier, moar pleasant,
to cut appart 'snap4' emulator (i have a pc build here ~with debug symbols~, comes apart in ida nicely)
than
to suffer with nitric acid and electron microscope
phf: i don't know when i've learned about
the source, it's on public github, i don't know if i've even seen you mention your snap4 work, or at which point i've forgotten it.
phf: as far as snap you've jumped
to conclusions from an offhand remark, and you're holding on
to it for dear life, like with everything else in
this conversation.
phf: asciilifeform: ok, you can't possibly fucking hold
this against me.
that was your private project,
that you never communicated in
the logs.