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ben_vulpes: i still don't.
mircea_popescu: and i didn't even understand computers before.
mircea_popescu: just like you can go make yourself a house on the prarie. it won't have running water. and all the whitegoods will work poorly fed from canister.
punkman: sure, but why can't punkman use v for non-b-a project?
mircea_popescu: (really, V chiefly exists because we put other thibngs together a while back, and we didn't at the time know yet this is how it'll come out.
mircea_popescu: a) twitter is a piece of shit web 2.0 item. they are probably hacked by 4 different teams as we speak and they don't even known
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can't be arsed to, but it takes anyone five minutes to create a twitter accouint, link it to a dead website and say "dear mircea popoescu" on it
mircea_popescu: well, it's denominated in one euro increments, and i don't think he ever had outstanding enough to payu for even one year of college
antonosika: asciilifeform: hypothetically - as long as there is only one suggestion, from an impostor or not, for what account to make a payment to AND the contract finalises, wouldn't a future delivery contract state that a payment should take place?
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:34; trinque: I recall discussion of removing the timestamps, but didn't find a conclusion there
ben_vulpes: yessir, but i don't think i implemented it correctly in my vdiff
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248359 << I don't like this ☝︎
punkman: asciilifeform: I don't see it
punkman: asciilifeform: and it wasn't?
mircea_popescu: what, reddit doesn't have enough to spaz over ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. didn't say 'no one did this', just 'no shortage of sane examples'
asciilifeform: unlike orwell, i don't see totalitarian prison state as automagically flowing from modern tech
asciilifeform: but i don't recall qin zhihuangdi, or peter I, or alexander, prohibiting gold
asciilifeform: but don't be caught with one on the street, yes.
mircea_popescu: technically money, in its circulatory form (ie, currency - to distinguish from the money as unit of account, for instance) was coins and bank-notes. coins are now disused, for entirely practical reasons ; and bank-notes come in those two flavours. moving from one to the other isn't THAT big a leap.
asciilifeform: sorta like if a pauper finds a ring of keys - he doesn't get to own the house and car.
mircea_popescu: "pretty miss dutchess found by peasants - they didn't get to keep her"
asciilifeform: but i don't have mircea_popescu's intel. only My Arse (tm)
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's any
asciilifeform doesn't object to elites per se (sorta like objecting to gravity) or to hereditary wealth (also rather like objecting to gravity) but arguing for the degeneracy of a particular set of people
asciilifeform: afaik they don't see us at all.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to pick the class.
asciilifeform: i still don't see how they could have come to exist in any other way
asciilifeform: (who said they couldn't have a wot?)
mircea_popescu: i don't know that ever in the history of civilisation was fine art a bearer document.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how your simile works.
asciilifeform: if the story of why i have them isn't plausible enough
mircea_popescu: won't take 10 years, at how condensed timeframes are now. used to be 35-50.
asciilifeform: i don't think we actually disagree here.
asciilifeform: and it usually doesn't take long.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and they are responsible and shall hang for the decisions they didn't make.
asciilifeform: at any rate, what, the rembrandt owners couldn't sell the crap off (to usg, even. it's buying), buy btc, and send to isis?
phf: (was it in the logs, guy brings authentic X "passed through family", gets accused of stealing, because "you're poor, so can't possibly have X")
mircea_popescu: who went by the "why should something be a standard if what it says is, we don't get any and stfu"
mircea_popescu: these people don't have a forum.
mircea_popescu: what, stalin couldn't turn off stupid like a tap ?
asciilifeform: what, the rembrandt owners couldn't turn inflation off like a tap ?
asciilifeform: but i don't see that this necessarily qualifies him as a tard. how is one to love something which is incompatible with your own existence ?
asciilifeform: at one point, iirc, he quotes the mega-liturgical 'The rich man in his castle, / The poor man at his gate, / God made them, high or lowly, / And ordered their estate.' as an example of the kind of thing that killing christianity finally nailed, and he can't bring himself to miss it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we don't, he's advanced.
mircea_popescu: what, still doesn't work ? NO MATTER!!!1 for we "learn from mistakes"
mircea_popescu: no matter! we "learn from mistakes", ie, claim that "socialism wasn't actually tried" and try again. the same thing. this time, we're printing people.,
mircea_popescu: what, you can't just print more money and the expectation to the contrary sinks early sopcialism ?
mircea_popescu: why ? why, because the redditar of 1600 thought himself blessed to "waste his life away" being a "from X's circle" at the very best. whereas the redditard of 2000 thinks his life too valuable to invest in anything. he is now a thinking man, don't you know, an intellectual - everyone's an intellectual that has computers, suddenly - and a tiny little Kitschhochadel in his own right!
asciilifeform: nah. tards 'cause the thing wasn't full of saltpetre and didn't light well!
mircea_popescu: see, these kids is the fundamental reason a) ru young women are well fucked (well means more than just a lot) and b) the chechens aren't isis.
mircea_popescu: you do this because you don't recognise the fundamental tension, and so examples in one line cloud your estimation of the other.
ag3nt_zer0: ok, don't really have an opinion on him myself, but I thought that film was quite entertaining... like a cinematic hall of mirrors or something
asciilifeform: they don't 'have to', but want to. the conclusion is pre-ordained.
asciilifeform: like that czech short story, author i can't recall, where a 'graphologist' is made to pronounce re: the authenticity of a typewritten page!
asciilifeform: i can't wait till they start doing circus like this for, e.g., a pgp signature
mod6: yup yup, i recall. just trying to make sure i'm on the right track so i don't waste everyones time :]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, isn't this also strictly wrong ? wasn't it the case that the whole village ate ~the exact same dish~ every day forever ?
mircea_popescu: (it rhymes in russian because it's russian. a language from 1700! it needn't rhyme in english, unless we're going for faux-peasant wisdom)
mircea_popescu: >in< color and taste there aren't comrades
asciilifeform: for colour or taste, ain't no such thing as friend
mircea_popescu: color and taste aren't comrades ?
mircea_popescu: but i don't mean copacetically like. i mean like like one's supposed to like art : un coup fumant. if she came off the toille you'd have no choice but to drop everything and marry her.
mircea_popescu: i don't remember any classical nude i like the face of.
asciilifeform: can't say i have
asciilifeform: not twice as happy if he can't buy 2x the turkeys
asciilifeform: if can doublespend, can run arse-mouth system hose, and now you're using 'blondies' as construction material and can't give'em away fast enough
mircea_popescu: this is like, "it doesn't work if i come back home and there's TWO almost dressed blondies waiting for me"
asciilifeform: nah, it doesn't work if someone can walk into a dark closet and emerge with two indistinguishable costly pet rocks.
mod6: the hashes don't match.
asciilifeform: i ~really~ don't feel like stuffing a 'tortoise and hare algo' cycle-finder in that thing.
danielpbarron: https://youtu.be/YGRgztz3Q6s?t=34s "What is my purpose?" << here's the kind of cartoon kids are growing up with nowadays, and it's not bad
asciilifeform: won't eat patches, no, but will eat sigs.
trinque: yep, that seems perfect, and I don't know how it could be simpler.
asciilifeform: so won't match in the bitwise sense
trinque: I recall discussion of removing the timestamps, but didn't find a conclusion there ☟︎
fluffypony can't brain
mircea_popescu: s just they don't amount to much traffic wise, even when piled together, which is how i've never noticed before.
punkman: "Motherboard was given a contact email address for The Impact Team by an intermediary. After reaching out, the hackers replied with a message signed with the same PGP key posted with the Ashley Madison dumps. " << of course they couldn't provide the signed replies
punkman: "1/3 of pictures are dick pictures and we won't dump."
mircea_popescu: all us tinfoil hats with our crazy notions about how shit that doesn't exist doesn't exist.
assbot: Scientists who found gluten sensitivity evidence have now shown it doesn't exist - ScienceAlert ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZjgvZ )
punkman: heh http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-who-found-evidence-for-gluten-sensitivity-have-now-shown-it-doesn-t-exist
shinohai: Don't be like Weird Satanist Guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopeFgwApCM&feature=youtu.be
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i don't grasp is why you're feeling so generous - giving orcs unique names.
phf: so to continue this archaeological dig, GPG 2.6 clarifies the usage of 2 octets. reads the header, reads the rsa ciphertext, decrypts rsa. rsa contains a digest of some fields from header and the body of message. so first thing he does next is check the first 2-octets of digest againts the 2-octets in header. if the two don't match program bails with "Error: RSA-decrypted block is corrupted. This may be caused either by corrupted data or by usin
asciilifeform: just pointing out that you can't stuff n bits of payload into signature (or encipherment) with modulus length n.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't at any point contemplating "rsa encryption = rsa run once over the message herp"
asciilifeform: 'well, one could devise methods for signing long messages that don't involve hashing, such as splitting up the message into small segments, tie each segment together with an identifier and a segment sequence number, and sign each individually. However, hashing works so much easier that no one ever considers an alternative.' << quoted verbatim from shit-overflow
asciilifeform: it isn't 'compare' though
asciilifeform: phf: am i catastrophically missing something, (i didn't sleep much), or is this an even greater clusterfuck than if the 16bit were used ?!!
phf: so for the curious it doesn't look like 1.4.19 uses the two-byte hash value anyway. it reads it from disk, it populates it during sign and it can write it to disk, but no actual logic done using it
mircea_popescu: no. that wasn't their problem.
asciilifeform: can't rule out that even 20 yrs ago hitler knew that factoring is np-complete.
mircea_popescu: heh. no they don't.
mircea_popescu: no you wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either you make me an infinitely rigid girder or i don;'t want anything to do with you.
mircea_popescu: if one didn't help, ten won't eiother.
mircea_popescu: because that doesn't help anything.