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mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> "it" in 3 is mod ? or what ? asciilifeform> aha mod asciilifeform> i was speaking specifically of the division algo
asciilifeform: i was speaking specifically of the division algo
asciilifeform: i think we missed a step in the thread
mircea_popescu: alf : "probvlem is mod is not distributive" me : "it can be made, cheaply" alf : "no, it can not" me : "here" alf : "oh, i did that back in july". then wtf are you griping about.
asciilifeform: aside from the fact that i already wrote it in july -- nuffin
asciilifeform: so i'd say it yes would be worth cycles. if anybody knew of an algo.
mircea_popescu: i'll just pass.
mircea_popescu: this approach of "i have a girlfriend and i am blind to all else" doesn't work with girlfriends, or anything else.
asciilifeform: ( do i need to list contradiction, or is it obvious )
mircea_popescu: that i can believe. though i expect the above is actually cheaper than adding teh numbers first and modding after.
asciilifeform: this is not one iota cheaper than what i have here.
asciilifeform: well yes. but how the hell do i distribute mod. observe in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712923 it dunwork. ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is still a restatement of the thing i asked for tho. i do not know of a way to distribute mod.
mircea_popescu: that is not my concern! if there IS a mod, then yo ucan apply it to the terms rather than add them first and apply to result, is all i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: is this making sense or should i show the function ?
mircea_popescu: i am talking about how mod is distributive to addition "at a small cost".
rothbart: can I just register a new public key with deedbot, without revoking the old one?
rothbart: yea, sorry - I'll do it properly on my Linux box - just got so many questions!
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i don't mind making money out of mit's "blockchain of the future", like i didn't mind fleecing "ripple" or cashing btc crash. free bitcoin will continue for as long as usg can draw breath, i'm not against. let them lose what they can't invest.
rothbart: ok, think I've got it
rothbart: I've read the logs, still confused about this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the classical ffa exponentiator, for reference, looks like http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S4dWM/?raw=true . the ~modular~ exponentiator must look like http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AiB9t/?raw=true . however it needs 'first, steal the chicken', i.e. FZ_Mod_Mul and FZ_Mod_Square .
rothbart: I've been trying to grok the segwit "theft" incentive - as the bounty grows, so does the PoW defending it - doesn't this keep the segwit outputs safe? ☟︎
rothbart: asciilifeform: will I need to redownload the blockchain on trb?
asciilifeform: the approach i've been (futile, so far) taking is, to find a way to interleave modularization into karatsuba
asciilifeform: and oh did i mention 3) idiot specialforms (e.g. barrett's) , because if mother dropped you as a child specialform constraints on moduli seem like ok idea
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean this problem is hard, i have a half baked item in my head i pompously call abstraction in which it is EASY!!!"
asciilifeform: i've been fighting with the modular mult thing since july
mircea_popescu: i tried the haskell approach to "Solving" problems, whadda ya want from me.
asciilifeform: i am referring, of course, to the standard shift-and-substract knuth division, which is in the previously posted ffa
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712588 << i freely admit so well formalized this is a tantalizing problem. how slow is the obvious "multiply x and y, substract modulus from result until result smaller than modulus" ? ☝︎
rothbart: it's all quite complicated, since I've been using Armory to manage my keys
rothbart: I'm still busy dumping my bcrash safely; but a friend and I will be buying a few once we're done :)
rothbart: asciilifeform - cheers. I read the article about the Cardano, but don't see it on NSA site?
rothbart: I've registered a public key with the bot, but haven't verified it yet (key was generated on GPG4Win) - should I start over from my Linux box, with a new public key?
asciilifeform: this, i would buy for kbd. but it is not a low-tech item, not the least bit a 'simply bake, like a pot'
mircea_popescu: i doubt you saw a piano that had non-bachelite keys
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 19:31 asciilifeform: upstack : i've dropped a wrench on my model-f keys, and 0 chipped.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was discussing the above "intuitive notion of brittleness is useless"
asciilifeform: i did at one point consider glass
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'd incidentally be entirely open to buying porcelain keys, if anyone knew how to make these to the req'd dimensional tolerance, and see what happens << You solve this with grout
mircea_popescu: and y'all have to thank bb for mentioning this, because i don't take iron to the wood so to speak.
asciilifeform: but no i dun have one here on my desk
mircea_popescu: "do you know x ?" "i saw an x once for five minutes"
asciilifeform: i'd incidentally be entirely open to buying porcelain keys, if anyone knew how to make these to the req'd dimensional tolerance, and see what happens
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware your design envelope was going to randomly expand to "i want a wrench droppable kbd now too".
asciilifeform: upstack : i've dropped a wrench on my model-f keys, and 0 chipped. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but this hides the proper argument. ben_vulpes would you say "paper is stronger than spider web, i can tear the latter without noticing" ?
asciilifeform: but i do wonder if this could be dealt with by mixing in steel wool or fibre or similar
asciilifeform: oyeah notbad, i spent coulplea hrs reading her pieces
asciilifeform: i forgot to mention bit-shifts , but these are obviously also available.
ben_vulpes: i am very behind on adaquest
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes et al want to try their hand , i'll read
asciilifeform: speaking of which, and before it gets lost upstack, i still dun have a modular mult
ben_vulpes: i eat from tin pans i salvage from the midden, just like you.
asciilifeform: i spend 14+hrs/day with the thing in my hands, and it makes a difference.
asciilifeform: and i ain't eating 'american cheese' either.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-09-12 01:00 asciilifeform: i even have comps with no input mechanism at all!111
asciilifeform: understand, right here i have almost 40 y.o. keycaps that looks EXACTLY as when new.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i dun want to FEEL THE LETTERS OMFG
asciilifeform: ( and if you make it not propagate - you automagically get a thing that I WILL NOT USE because it ain't propagating to my fingertips )
asciilifeform: understand, i dun use 'squishies', if every key dun sound like a kalash dryfiring, it ain't a keyboard
BingoBoingo: What are you banging it into that it can't be keycap on top of fiber cement subcap? (i.e. like a floor)
mircea_popescu: hey, i even put in pipe now and again
mircea_popescu: yes, but in point of fact i write as much or more as anyone, on a kbd.
asciilifeform: nah i know a buncha folx who dun care at all. they work with... pens
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose i'm the only one that doesn't actually care all that much.
mircea_popescu: (note that all key arrangements, from atms to dishwashers, are in a rectangular pattern ; and i expect alf wants them radial or something)
asciilifeform: possibly i am unfamiliar with subj
asciilifeform: i dun think they do 6axis cnc
mircea_popescu: there's like... i dunno, 8 total alive or somesuch.
asciilifeform: in my case i would even be content without letters, but simply to control the number and ~placement~ of keys.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 03:34 trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
asciilifeform: is what thread was about. ( and that is at the minimal, in my case i also want to fit existing pistons , and req'd luft is no larger than what is permitted in rifle barrel )
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: if i want custom lettering -- not commodity
asciilifeform: i.e. the keys.
mircea_popescu: if i wanted it bad enough i guess.
mircea_popescu: but i've yet to have a special textile plant made for it.
mircea_popescu: there's a substantial difference between "i don't like this" and "this doesn't compare favourably to rando coworker's item". these two can never mix. this isn't sophistry, but plain sense.
asciilifeform: i did say 'mimimum'
asciilifeform: it means 'exactly as i want, with the mass-produced plebeshit as minimal bar'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712434 << this is hilariously, riotously wrong, btw. doyahave anyfuckingidea what is involved in making a DECENT ( i.e. injection-molded parts ) kbd ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 02:43 kanzure: i would also like to register a complaint about lack of n-key rollover and also another complaint about keyboard keypress registration latency, thanks
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712377 << if keypress latency is a problem, odds are your os is shit. i generally throw out boxes that do it ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712371 << hey, i have :D ☝︎
asciilifeform: WITHOUT EXCEPTION all currently made input periphs are shite. especially, egregiously, the pedals -- i've thrown away 3 or 4 nao
asciilifeform: rather than naked 'how many buttons can i press per second'
asciilifeform: way i see it, cleverly made kbd is really for minimizing flow disruption
kanzure: really the only purpose of high wpm that i have figured out is winning irc flame wars
asciilifeform: that sounds quite like what i do, lol
asciilifeform: ( i dun need 300 or even 200 'wpm' for anything, so it dunbotherme)
kanzure: also i would like a full key se without extensive modkeys
kanzure: i never promised as much
asciilifeform: if you, as i do, insist on inset-casting
trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start ☟︎
trinque: I'd pay a grand, why not. paid more than that for shittier items.
asciilifeform: trinque et al : i often wonder how many people would be prepared to pay what 'bespoke kbd' costs.
asciilifeform: i muchly prefer the 'f' -- no membrane dome anywhere inside of it, unlike 'm'
trinque: hm yeah, I've only ever clacked on an M.