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mircea_popescu: phf basically what i take his notion to be re the problem is you know, "i'll just mp it", which may seem like a workable idea until one stops to notice that the original mp never actually attempted to guess prices.
jackdaniel: either way, thanks for inviting me so I could confirm/clarifiy some assesments about me. Have a nice evening o/
jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays ☟︎
jackdaniel: yes, a tiny bit
mircea_popescu: would having more money at your disposal put an inflationary pressure on bounty levels ? ie, for "same work" (admitting for a moment there's such a thing as work-needed scalar) more money ? conversely, encountering headwinds/making little progress over time/decelerating would deflate bounties ?
jackdaniel: I work a bit with code. I asses how hard it will be to fix it, how beneficial fixing it will be and how much resources we have
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel so a major item of curiosity for me is how do you calculate the bounty values ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't giving a recipe, just referencing.
mircea_popescu: a ok.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707437<< nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel what's a pr ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707563 << nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they don't even have to be total country bumpkins, even a non-yokel would really love to live in washington!
mircea_popescu: cuz everyhone knows a girl really wants to be just like that dumbass "congressional aide" what was her name, mary tired or what.
asciilifeform: narrative was, Evil Orc Ruler had a wife who bought million shoes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was supposedly about a pinoy coup
mircea_popescu: turns out that's pretty much a feature of not-nato
phf: i ~believe~ that bounties are pulled out of ass by the mcclim stakeholders like beach. "this is tricky and i want it a lot, $500!"
mircea_popescu: (there's a lot of work went into this in eulora, i dunno if you've seen the various pricing threads. it's to my eyes a very interesting problem)
mircea_popescu: ok, but the problem of interest is how to compute something to end up with the magic number 150. or a replacement.
asciilifeform: 'I've decided to build my own company TurtleWare. It is meant to abide by the values and principles I believe in. I have a strong sense of aesthetics.'
asciilifeform: http://turtleware.eu/about.html << looks like could be a scot neh
phf: yeah, i don't remember the details. i think g_l just wanted to be the top dog on the project, and, to quote trinque, swing a dick that he didn't have by running the whole thing in faux tmsr way (lots of calling everyone cunt), which got him marginalized, and eventually completely sidelined
asciilifeform: that looks high for an opensores proj but rather low for a funded op of whateverr kind
asciilifeform: phf: my main prob with clim wasn't even a bug in the proper sense of the word, but the ~unspeedupable basic design
phf: he (and just a few more bounty people) are slowly making it through mcclim bugs, while at the same time introducing questionable things. here's a random example that came up while i was googling his name, https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/posts/Progress-report-8.html
mircea_popescu: "painted the wall killed the orchid ; unclogged the toilet dented the faiance ; cooked a meal dirtied the pots..."
phf: it's exactly that! replaced a deflated wheel, while also putting a chair on the roof
asciilifeform: 'fixed the muffler, but took a torch to the engine block'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527243 << a year brought a change :D ☝︎
phf: supposed to be an n with accent aigu, he's i think a polak
mircea_popescu: a ok.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what can i tell you, 152 centimeters are a lot of centimeters for this part of the world.
mircea_popescu: can't say i've encountered that many ; and can say that from actual lived experience, the "thinks he's jeddi" heuristic is a fine indicator for "head so far up ass the net result of sufficient whipping will be soap", ie http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: heck, why not, if there can exist (as in principle can) individuals who need any arbitrary amount of whipping, there's no reason to elide the extreme case. maybe somewhere somehow there exists this jeddi that actually needs 0, is a natural.
trinque: I've got e-mail threads with him where I try to spoonfeed him a mcclim support gig, nada
trinque: g_l for example can absorb an astonishing amount of whipping with nary a budge. I don't even mean that as an insult.
mircea_popescu: now the problem with this is that the stupid beast ~quite deliberately~ (even if uncomprehended by the elements, subhuman as they are, composing that beast) presents them partially. so as to avoid you know, actual results, much like an octopus would touch a stove.)
asciilifeform: bryan ( kanzure ) is in asciilifeform's meat l2 for many yrs, but imho remains a border case
mircea_popescu: es and nothing happens ; or else the whipping is directed, in which case we pick the 3-sigma cases and get 0.03% of 10mn ie 3k people who could be fixed in a few days each.
mircea_popescu: (this is a significant problem. consider a model : there's what, ten-twenty millions of bernsteins, kanzure , fyr and what have you on one hand ; and only a hundred or so of us. even if we were to work a full 200 hour's week, if on average one needs 1k man-hours of constant whipping to redress into humanity, we encounter the following birthday paradox : either the whipping is undirected, in which case every tard gets 15 minut
mircea_popescu: trinque there's at all times large swathes of salvageable cattle. they -- never in short supply. who can be arsed to wield the whip in such copious quantities as they may require, now that's a challenge.
trinque: if there are a few salvageable folks out there, hooray.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:33 fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707415 << lol this guy. the "trilema-specific" item is the only non-specific one. "oh, i can't get on the web from my walled garden dumbphone without a "web specific" arrangement". yes, it's called a key. the freedom-specific item people in cells need is called a key. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: e, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug infested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John wh o, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar."
mircea_popescu: at which point i feel compelled to quote http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 : "So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their coun
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707348 << it's a micron tech brand, not exactly unknown, mostly IM Flash tech products anyway. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: !~later tell fyr so register a key.
fyr: which will take 2 dudes with jackhammers a day to install, disrupting any attempts to get work done during that day
fyr is listening about how he should put the porch rhinestone inside a $200 safe
fyr has a rhinestone
fyr: And like I get that unforgeable reputation is useful if you want to have a textual agreement to buy some MPEx security for bitcoin, or w.e.
fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long ☟︎
asciilifeform: having no key, is rather like the traditional portrait of being a ghost -- you can looksy but no touchsy
fyr: I have a decent grasp of the relevant /primitives/ and am confident in my ability to actually apply them after a couple days of reading manpages
asciilifeform: you get a signature, that -- eventually, perhaps -- begins to ~mean something~
fyr: Have read article, if I was doing this for srs that would be a backup for sharded offsite multisig
asciilifeform: and a reputation.
asciilifeform: fyr: it's a pretty modest amount of ( largely non-recurring ) work.
fyr is lazy to a fault
fyr: I have any idea it just seems like a lot of work :P
asciilifeform: shinohai: that doesn't solve the problem of a d00d who has nfi how to keep a key
fyr: No I'd leave it locked up in a bank that all the normies trust B)
fyr: "Without help" is a bit harsh, and implies I shouldn't read the ~practical guide~ just linked, but if I have srs keys nobody gets to touch them ya
fyr: Anyway I'm sure I can be talked into it eventually, but I don't have it set up /already/ and am not going to go on a multihour Fetchquest to that effect rn
asciilifeform: imho a grown man, and a programmer, can figure out how to hide a few kByte somewhere, without any help from us
asciilifeform: it's, what, a couple of kB, to back up
fyr: I have a fresh Librem lying around I can probably use that
asciilifeform: fyr: see also http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide
fyr: just *grump* at the implication that gpg is usable enough by a non-initiate to get a brainwallet or w/e out of it in 5 minutes
shinohai: omg it is a so-called `cryptocurrency` ?
fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x" ☟︎
fyr: My "urbit-turd" is ultimately on a test-net, and doesn't have live keys
asciilifeform: the noosefilm ~blurred out swastica~ as if it were, horror, a cunt
asciilifeform: 'New York City Council Major Leader Jimmy Van Bramer, a Democrat, led a rally at the building last week, saying the man has created a "house of horrors" for tenants ...'
shinohai: (Preferably when you realize what a true digital Republic is)
fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose ☟︎
shinohai: I thought working in Java was like a circle of hell or a prison sentence.
fyr: At least as a junior idk
asciilifeform: what's a haskell tax ?
asciilifeform: sageprobes: now that has the makings of a good story -- does yarvin actually ~pay~ you lot ?!
asciilifeform: sageprobes: another fella cracked independently, a finn,
asciilifeform: sageprobes: if you don't have a probe+amdmobo, you probably will not find these very interesting.
sageprobes: was expecting a forum tbh, I don't actually have a sage probe I would need help with but was curious about battle stories
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707320 << this knife has another edge, ben_vulpes . most commercial ops don't have the budget ( time, mainly , but money also ) for ActuallyWorksAndFitsInHead(tm). ( picture, if you will, ffa as a commercial project at a secular software co ) ☝︎
trinque: http://archive.is/RrGdX << meanwhile the usg.banks insist they no, really, srsly have a future.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i see a crapflare eggog
shinohai: Cool asciilifeform ..... might be worth a shot anyway
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707245 << a good example http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/fsn3.88/full ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I'm very uncertain. It's easy to know pantsuit eats their own. I lack a refined oracle atm for which demographic pantsuit eats next.
BingoBoingo: Even from a performative angle, gotta assume WAPO pilotage is a least USG.NAVY.BoatDriving level anti-skilled
BingoBoingo: De Nile is a mighty big river
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I doubt it's a folding to Republican ideology so much as "Remember how popular Black Lives Matter was electorally..."
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: actually now that you mention it, i hopped on a scale for lulz recently and realized that i should really stop calibrating my intake against hers << Smoking cessation invokes a similar realization when the implication of one's resting heartrate falling to a human value from a near avian value on basal metabolism hits
ben_vulpes: and your parting grade a bezzle of the evening: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-apple-iowa-welfare-20170829-story.html
ben_vulpes: i tell you, listening to the young feller who shares the toxic trainstation orifice with me prattle on about the majesty of es6 takes what wind is left in the sails of trying to fix a young man's mind clean to /dev/null
ben_vulpes: a headline that won't make the cut this evening: "<something> Javascript: It can work"
ben_vulpes: girl wanted to show me things, but was reading circuit diagrams, "woman, i am reading schematics for a communist killing machine. whatever you have can wait"