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kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for
the sake of sync we could allow
to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
☟︎ BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, just wanted
to highlight brain symlinks
trinque: BingoBoingo: is
this
to highlight "why use an alias" for when I'm hauled off
to room 101?
cazalla: guess i gots
to make another symlink in my mind much in
the same way i made one for bitcoinpete
trinque: cazalla:
this was always my otc handle, and hence
the name
that made it into assbot
cazalla: why
the name change
trinque?
trinque: somebody in here likes
to ddos IPs
that appear in logs
trinque: felipelalli: you're going
to want
to get yourself a cloak
ben_vulpes: i'd like
to be more familiar with
that archive.
ben_vulpes: we have relationships with our clients, get
to know
their business and make a nominal difference in how
they do it.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we definitely diverge from
the original
topic significantly here, but "community" and "belongingness" is a core part of what we do.
danielpbarron: it's like a starving artist kid i know
that will spitefully do a poor job if you pay him
to draw something
ben_vulpes: there's another side
to
that as well, which is
that
the people with whom I work who do
things at
the 2x-3x range of
the others actually enjoy
teaching juniors and collaborating on
these projects.
trinque: ben_vulpes: is being drunk a mental model or a
tool
ben_vulpes: a bit of economics: in
training
those people,
their value delivered goes up disproportionately
to
their wage hikes.
ben_vulpes: in our snowflake of a case,
that's more due
to
the difference between people who've seen
things like
the bug under
the microscope before, and people who've yet
to learn
the myriad of
tools and mental models
to cope effectively.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla: well
that was short lived.. "you have been banned from posting
to /r/Buttcoin" << what sort of low quality shilling have you been engaging in! <<< i criticised
the jews :\
ben_vulpes: i'd not go so far as
to say "order of magnitude"
cazalla: nubbins`: is
there anyone here who hasn't made
the local news for
threatening people? o.O <<< i made
TV
too because what else happens in
the sticks,
thankfully minor at
the
time.. all
this shit because i said i was gonna machine gun a bunch of people
ben_vulpes: but what about
the project whose maintainer has ghosted
themselves off
to
the next interesting
thing?
cazalla: nubbins`: cazalla
tell us more about your web of hate <<< some kid printed out ICQ chatlogs
that he was not even involved in and
took
them
to
the police
ben_vulpes: but someone must invest
the capital
to justify loading it into a
team's shared understanding.
trinque: really hard
to quantify
this stuff
ben_vulpes: as we get up
to speed on a given codebase/ops story, shit moves vastly more quickly.
ben_vulpes: this allows
the man who only cares
to work for 15 hours per week
to do so, comfortably, provided he's good at what he does.
ben_vulpes: some read and do (the correct
thing) very quickly, and are remunerated in proportion
to
their
time spent and speed at which
they do it.
ben_vulpes: the fella who
thinks for
twice as long is generally not paid nearly what
the one who can see it instantly.
ben_vulpes: others: read,
think, occasionally produce a UI layout.
ben_vulpes: read,
think. occasionally commit a line or
two of code.
ben_vulpes: everything we
touch gets
the shit automated out of it as a precondition of
touching it.
ben_vulpes: i don't quite know if
this is
topologically different from an option pool with a vesting schedule, except
that it provides some fairness proportionality
to
the
time worked
ben_vulpes: i've been batting around
the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in
the operation would be issued in direct proportion
to hours clocked on
the project.
ben_vulpes: as an aside,
the whole vesting
thing is odd.
trinque: ^ requires good stock
that knows
the meaning of respect
ben_vulpes: it's more like "dood i know and respect knows and respects
this other dood, so i guess i'll give him a whirl".
coderwill: mircea_popescu: yeah, hope something positive comes out at
the end
ben_vulpes: mind you, coderwill "friends" is not
the criteria.
ben_vulpes: <coderwill>
trinque: re: hiring, probably best
to start small with people you
trust almost unconditionally << i've had decent success hiring friends and
their friends.
mircea_popescu: it only works for rich, smart people, but
then again let gavin have africa, and graham sillycon valley,
they'll have fun
together.
mircea_popescu: coderwill yes,
that and
the frankness are
the predicates of
this place, and why it works, and why qntra will sink gawker and so on.
trinque: poking at
the roots of
the brain directly, read
that in another recent article
mircea_popescu: "you'll be eating dogfood off
the floor until you can X"
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe someone external can force
them
to do otherwise, but
they never will << main point of slavery.
coderwill: or maybe a better way of saying it, a person who comes
to
the
table
thinking "what's in
this for us" instead of "what's in
this for me"
coderwill: trinque: re: hiring, probably best
to start small with people you
trust almost unconditionally
trinque: maybe someone external can force
them
to do otherwise, but
they never will
trinque: if a person can't reason enough
to reason
that
they'd better improve
their reasoning, fucked
trinque: mircea_popescu:
the meta problem
coderwill: i guess
there is a flipside
though, which is people wanting everything
trinque: coderwill: you have
to force
them
to be, and if you can't, why would
they?
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems
this state you describe in
the article is
terminal
mircea_popescu: traditional employment of
the "that's a firm
to put 30 years in with" isn't a loan particularly for
that reason.
mircea_popescu: coderwill
think of it in sexual
terms. "honey let's fuck". "are you going
to be around in
ten years
to raiuse my children ?" "nope" "so i'm loaning you my
taxed income in
the future ?"
coderwill: mircea_popescu: seems like
the ones
that
think of it
that way are far and few between
mircea_popescu: well
the only way
to survive is
to nmot work for a worthless one.
trinque: just commenting on
the worthlessness of american startups
mircea_popescu: peopel
tend
to forget
that working for a start-up is a LOAN.
mircea_popescu: trinque pushing for equity is an essential
tool in evaluating
the company.
trinque: I had looads of shares of
the
terrible rails startup I was a part of years ago
trinque: well it's not equity; it's
that
the companies are largely worthless
coderwill: trinque: agreed, equity is not all it's cracked up
to be
coderwill: at
the same
time,
there are some people i really enjoyed getting
to know who i'd be happy
to work with again. it's just a few
that made it very strange for everyone
trinque: maybe 2 of
the 7 I've worked for still exist
trinque: that said why fight for equity if
the businesses wont even be
there in a few years
coderwill: i am
thankful for
the opportunity and it has let me
to better places, but definitely not what i was expecting when i came on board
trinque: everyone in
the industry under 30 is a perma-intern
trinque: coderwill: nah man,
that "this will at least be good for my resume"
thing is just a way of learning
to love
the pole
coderwill: correct,
that was a naive
thought in many regards