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mircea_popescu: a bunch of derps in beirut getting together and agreeing to have bombed new york is how new york will have been bombed.
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, if honest cartels don't make it we can only hope about "maybe assurance contracts, maybe bonded identies tied to transaction fees"
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhOTp9 )
mircea_popescu: [–]wonderkindel 5 points 8 days ago Gavin sees a major shitstorm ahead, does not know of any way out, but hopes that cartels of honest miners will materialize to keep the dream wet.
mircea_popescu: [–]Institutional_Invest 1 point 9 days ago TLDR of this discussion?
mircea_popescu: ahh, i recall the age of the romanian pond, when a bunch of retarded ~romanians~ similarly entertained delusions of, you know, we will HURT THIS GUY!!111
mircea_popescu: othar efforts in the same vein.
assbot: dgerard comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhO67K ) ☟︎
trinque: the write on the screen bit -> my sides
mircea_popescu: i wonder if anyone ever trolled themselves off the internet.
mircea_popescu: so i just re-read this article, it's getting to the point where i manage to piss MYSELF off.
trinque: I can't process that
trinque: doesn't matter though, nanny bama will burn your house down if you try to introduce hierarchy
mircea_popescu: 4mb bitcoind that doesn't fucking work etc.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque well have you looked at the sort of shit he outputs ?
ben_vulpes: it's actually a manual walking of the shop wot
trinque: asciilifeform: the fuck; you never do peer code review?
asciilifeform: the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception << l0ll!!!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fucks with bigger tits that last longer should be paid more!
trinque: but doesn't have to be flat
mircea_popescu: trinque hey, you're really building teh reddit
trinque: is that faiaaaiiiirrr? *wiggles eyebrows*
trinque: ben_vulpes: it just occurred to me that perhaps the group could somehow quantify their mutual perception of who has contributed?
ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that'll scale about as well as "i don't need condoms, i only fuck clean girls"
asciilifeform: 'On the cruelty of really teaching computing science' (dijkstra)
assbot: Page not found | Computer Science Department The University of Texas at Austin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhLve1 )
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently in the unique situation of reading through all code that gets produced in my shop and having more or less everyone's eyes on everyone's product.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you like balzac much, but the only reason the fat lazy fuck exists as a writer is because he had to pay his eternal debts and the newspapers paid by the line.
asciilifeform: code, but today I am less interested in how foolish a unit it is from even a pure business point of view. My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger.'
asciilifeform: 'The practice is pervaded by the reassuring illusion that programs are just devices like any others, the only difference admitted being that their manufacture might require a new type of craftsmen, viz. programmers. From there it is only a small step to measuring "programmer productivity" in terms of "number of lines of code produced per month". This is a very costly measuring unit because it encourages the writing of insipid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know precisely one place where this approach worked.
asciilifeform: you have to live with... the code. afterwards.
asciilifeform: 'weight' is the killer
trinque: the incoherence of it all sets off instinctual rage that if nothing else keeps me hammering away at the wall
asciilifeform: time is the less immediately-suicidal variant - all you end up with is a clock-watcher and a lighter wallet
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness. << Well with Qntra and prose having editorial controls helps to level the problem. I can not imagine a similar arbiter existing for code.
asciilifeform: (the notion was once taken to extremes in that country)
asciilifeform: pay for quantity or time is how the fabled 'indian coder' came about.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, you're right. qntra was a bold step into the darkness, perhaps too bold. trying it with coding is taking a bold ~train trip~ into the wilderness.
mircea_popescu: it's that fabled lightsabre that only lightsabers if wielded by master.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes, capitalism does not work in the hands of idiots.
trinque: seems dangerous to give stock at all then, if there's anything at all on the books about "fairness" to whoever
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible. << Also as unequally as prose may be weighted, code is especially unequal when it comes to volume versus value.
mircea_popescu: maybe you don't understand this whole "fairness" concept.
trinque: well presumably I own the fucking thing, at least in my own delusion
mircea_popescu: "everyone must get the same"
trinque wonders if there are rules on "fairness" in regards to giving employees stock
trinque: maybe that's applicable to stock as well; just issue shares as you personally see fit
trinque: seems just issuing bonuses when times are good is more manageable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do your men do, the profit from which is at all proportional to the time spent? << this is a well pointed question. it'd seem your business is ass-backwardss : people do the job of computers, and i guess computers do the job of people ?!
mircea_popescu: jurov kinda what they do already no ?
mircea_popescu: with something private like you know, coding work, this may prove unfeasible.
jurov: they can give scamcoins according to time spent there
mircea_popescu: qntra works very well, at least so far, because everyone's work is fundamentally public, there's no meaning in "writing words' outside of obviously others reading them. so trying to thin out the product as it were is painfully visible and liable to cost whoever does it more than it's worth.
jurov: ben_vulpes: sell that idea to reddit
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i've been batting around the notion of a qntra-style stock pool, where stock in the operation would be issued in direct proportion to hours clocked on the project. << risky if it ends up promoting clockpainting.
mircea_popescu: anyone want the clearly very valuable oyvey.eu domain ?
mircea_popescu: !up Takeshi
danielpbarron: "This will take some time but getting into the Web of Trust is something I have wanted to do and have been studying for a few months now."
assbot: GoldenVizions comments on Hi Reddit, I’m Bill Gates and I’m back for my third AMA. Ask me anything. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfXEP9 )
danielpbarron: i'm ssh'd into this thing; pretty neat
asciilifeform: ought to be a book!
asciilifeform: why not buy things that don't require mutilation.
assbot: The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Introducing the MintBox Mini ... ( http://bit.ly/18Cxltn )
BingoBoingo considering http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2760 as future desktop machine. Seems to satisfy stuff in bag, carry much distance criteria.
mod6: that's neat. gonna test RI on 'em?
mats: can you feel ma love from over the tubes?
asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection
asciilifeform: based on the footprint, the orphanage burner functions
mod6: wait until you get to here:
asciilifeform: if connects to a peer who insists on pumping it full of bastards, cyclically, of course it wedges.
davout: jurov: "now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?" <<< i don't think so. if you have 8 peers you'll get two different blocks at different diff for the same height, hard to feed you a bogus chain
asciilifeform: ^ of this form
mod6: Anyone wanna test out a perl script for me? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Wp8V8n9h
asciilifeform: log shows that only two 'bastards' came in
asciilifeform: ten minutes of run, 127937 height (and going at that rate), at no point process exceeded 90MB
jurov: now that is something. if i secretly make 350k alternative blocks with minimal difficulty, will that altchain get chosen if we have no checkpoints?
davout: ah, i thought you were referring to jurov's 'malicious peers' objection to consider requesting blocks based on height
jurov: (just spur if the moment idea)
asciilifeform: davout: the flood happens nearly always in the natural process of loading blocks
davout: "malicious peers not even needed for this" <<< how?
asciilifeform: malicious peers not even needed for this
davout: if you're connected to only malicious peers you're kinda fuxxored anyway
jurov: i'd suggest to use difficulty
jurov: malicious peers can poison us with orphan chain up to that height
davout: being able to request blox from peers for a certain height would solve the whole thing instantly
asciilifeform: if the memory footprint can actually be limited, the smaller machine can perhaps be allowed to swap to disk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was right in that a fundamentally more intelligent mechanism for retrieving blocks is necessary
jurov: and does the std limit of 750 help with oom after all?
asciilifeform: bitcoind limited to 'orphanage' of 50 blocks (running on ordinary pc) never syncs
davout: i can hardly remember who this kakobrekla guy is anyway
kakobrekla: now, this is just a one time inconvenience, but say everyone would change all the time. nicht gut.
davout: kakobrekla: dat true
kakobrekla: but say you rated undata at some point, and then he changes nick to pirateat40 and you will wtf next time you check your ratings
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 16:49:48; kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
asciilifeform: nick is just something you'd assign locally to an fp, for convenience
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that was sorta the plan in 'gossip'
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes think of it this way: why dont we just use FP instead of nicks ?
ben_vulpes: so long as the fp doesn't change how does that matter?