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ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: centralization
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag what do you mean ?
jurov: deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201601.txt.asc
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag different incentives. as it is now, changing the size doesn't automatically brick all miners.
ascii_butugychag: i also vaguely recall ^this aspect being appealing to mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag is asic going to store the whole chain ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i still don't grasp the 'technological reasons' from footnote v
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: you can apply ~any~ hash to endless pile
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it's my recollection you can apply it on an endless pile of data, neh ?
ascii_butugychag: briefly, unrelatedly, mircea_popescu 'the keccak function takes unlimited input' << what ?!
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - can, obviously, do what they like.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag yeah well.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag lemme summarize this for you. bitcoin eminently keeps shitty logs. a new guy came in and undertood the monstrous task of trying to fix that.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what new logging model
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: I didn't know it was expected to solve it, but ok, I see this patch is consuming too much time from everybody...
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i didn't object to it in principle, but it's also not covered by the new logging model.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what's your objection to throw runtime_error ?
mircea_popescu: not to mention assorted garbage like throw runtime_error()
BingoBoingo: Tasoshi: Is this the video? http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph558c08d45a454
PeterL: mircea_popescu watched a video?
Tasoshi: The propaganda video which is probably the only thing that convinced mr mircea_popescu
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 14:34:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392335 << poverty limit. ask the world bank :D
PeterL: ascii_butugychag I think I was wrong, it is not inciatus to which I connected, looks like Dulap?
assbot: The MAX_BLOCK_SIZE fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxIuyL )
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 14:26:12; jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there a space for sane upgrade path?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what returns
Tasoshi: I mean, it is true isn't it mircea_popescu that you agreed with onchain scaling in 2013? But anyway looks like you guys are busy so I'll leave you to it.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i disagree that the mega-turd that touches 10,000 lines is justified.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag yes but now necessarily monstruous
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 13:23:16; polarbeard: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here is the logging patch split up in three: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/ccf92c5f83753a03370a, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547 and https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/621f39b7cf21d736400e
punkman: mircea_popescu: re:sha3-digest, here's one idea, asic miners can get around recalculating the digest on every hash by changing the merkle-root/timestamp instead of the nonce
Tasoshi: So Satoshi's great test to determine whether bitcoin can operate through decentralised consensus is now on. mircea_popescu, I have been looking at some old posts and it seemed that in 2013 you agreed with Satoshi and his vision. What exactly did you learn in 2013 to turn yourself against Satoshi's vision itself?
mircea_popescu: + printf(SERR SBLK "can't create database file %s\n", strFileRes.c_str());
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: mmm for me the ranges in that site don't work, which line is it?
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: polarbeard_better_log_messages ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxGpTs )
mircea_popescu: polarbeard http://104.131.72.249/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages#selection-8295.32-8295.60 < plox no ' in loglines so people don't have to escape the shit out of parsing.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: totally understandable, I wanted to split that ones in two steps: first adding labels and then modifying the messages, but that would have ended in having 4k lines :)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Nice new trilema article.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: you mean how those macro strings are actually used?
phf: mircea_popescu: just point whatever you have to that ip, and i'll fix the settings to get it working
phf: mircea_popescu: a domain name
assbot: polarbeard_better_log_messages ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q75zUc )
phf: mircea_popescu: http://104.131.72.249/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages#selection-1149.0-1189.1
mircea_popescu: anyway, dbenv.set_lg_max(1000000); < wut ?
assbot: polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlwJtP )
polarbeard: they're defined here, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547#file-polarbeard_better_log_messages-vpatch-L2029-L2039
assbot: polarbeard_logging_sanity.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewosO )
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 05:19:55; pete_dushenski: myea, i don't think we go through $1/day of diapers
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5602 I believe ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it's the german "trained experts" so who knows
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno, they shot Lavoy Finicum pretty fast.
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there a space for sane upgrade path? ☟︎
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: is there any reason against that one? I miss it too
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 if teh esteemed foundation'd give an opinion on http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ kthx.
BingoBoingo: Who's racis now? http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/white-officers-slower-to-shoot-black-suspects-new-study-finds/article_b4c9fb58-49eb-5a34-8ab8-d97b7307f667.html
assbot: polarbeard_fix_instance_print.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYHKay )
assbot: polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYHMiI )
polarbeard: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here is the logging patch split up in three: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/ccf92c5f83753a03370a, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547 and https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/621f39b7cf21d736400e ☟︎
assbot: irc_bots:deedbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RVey0C )
danielpbarron: ;;later tell felipelalli ^^^ also >> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot#synopsis
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5Df_lDD38
mod6: # ps ax | grep bitcoind && LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin getinfo | grep version
asciilifeform: anyway ben_vulpes and everybody else can have 133333337 w4r3z when they can come up with a place for it to go.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: seeing it yet ?
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 03:15:55; ben_vulpes: a hundred and eleven fucking dollars!?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:48:49; mircea_popescu: i guess i fucked it up when putting it on trilema ? asciilifeform ^ mind saying what the above link does ?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:38:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you confirm that tinyscheme_genesis_fixed.vpatch does *not* depend on shiva parts one and two?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:33:31; mircea_popescu: anyone thinking diapers are cheap is not-poor in the us
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:16:46; mircea_popescu: i originally thought so but research in here shows that no, it's never checked.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 15:38:47; ascii_butugychag: i suppose this is when i restate my rage at the idiocy of gnudiff
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 21:56:45; ben_vulpes: anyways, mod6 you gotta upgrade v.pl to press *all* reachable leaves. that's the problem i'm running into with asciilifeform's recent shiva rebake
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 21:48:22; mircea_popescu: hey alf, how about you move out of the us ? hm ? HM ?
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2016 13:21:58; mircea_popescu: it's a combination of multisecular trends. one is a hate of plastics, that has been brewing for at least five decades. the other is a hate of self, that;s been brewing since ww2, and that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: heh. i was actually taking a look at that trilema earlier today. if gabrielradio wants to lay the foundation, i'd be happy to build the house.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Husserl is something of a root node, you can get to him through kant->Fichte->Hegel->Marx
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Until it's BitcoinOS it's a daemon. It's important to refer to it as a number of descriptive things for legacy www reasons.
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes
phf: ben_vulpes: http://r-s-g.org/kriegspiel/about.php
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mircea_popescu: you read it, incidentally, ben_vulpes ?
copypaste: also, i liked your attempt at the merchant rewrite mircea_popescu :)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: know anything about deleuze and guatarri in the context of intertextuality?
phf: ben_vulpes: ideally you'd want to read this first http://www.amazon.com/Lisp-Small-Pieces-Christian-Queinnec/dp/0521545668
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu wut?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Better than hats, they do coins for 1, 3, 6, and then every year.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: 3
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wut ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not bad. Quite a few visitors for a sunday meeting
BingoBoingo: !up alphonse23_
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no it's not bad, make sure we're ACTUALLY on the same page as opposed to just jointly excited.
phf: mircea_popescu: what to do about a b->c->d e->f press to c. a b c? or b c?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:00; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this introduces a conflict between "pressing a head presses all signed patches at same leaf-level that have been signed by wot"
mircea_popescu: <felipelalli> mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn't that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key? << how is a bitfield in the gpg key help you in case you die ? or lose control of the key ? neither of these are time-able events.
phf: ben_vulpes: kahn loops over a list of nodes that starts with genesis. on each iteration node in the list is inspected, its children added to the list for further inspection. you can give priority to what was in the list first or give priority to what's in the list last, which will produce either depth first or breadth first walk
assbot: tinyscheme_genesis_fixed ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrvqKh )
ben_vulpes: http://104.131.72.249/patches/tinyscheme_genesis_fixed << you still have 1/2 and 2/2 in there
assbot: asciilifeform_tinyscheme_shiva_bridge ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrvlpP )