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mircea_popescu: punkman: ^ if the block the bundle tx ends up in disappears, I think best idea is to make new tx << no. there's exactly no reason for deedbot to have block awareness. if the tx disappears, it should not notice.
mircea_popescu: chetty: email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :) << better than darmkail and other bs at any rate.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The enclosed 1386667 bytes f - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoubVU )
jurov: in any webmail, you can save the finished message as draft and then try to gpg verify the text. that should take care of 90% of above problems
mircea_popescu: TomServo the latter yes.
jurov: asciilifeform: how do you propose the lint would work? run on saved mailbox?
TomServo: I noticed a fully-synced node maintains its IRC connection. I was curious if that's desirable, and also if that means you're made a candidate to fill other nodes?
thestringpuller: !s this_is_lame.txt
mircea_popescu: punkman: always makes me think "is this the day I get droned?" << just checking the line's still live.
asciilifeform: at least we oughta bake a 'lint' for these msgs
mircea_popescu: short of implementing the phantomcircuit hack and emailing everyone who ever emailed it anythging the whole error log every time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov: without so much as a burp. << you knoiw you keep saying this, but it's an email drop. how would you want it to burp ?
mircea_popescu: "All programs have been written, and that program is Lisp. With perfection already attained, implementation is left to the ignorant who do not already know the truth of this." << shit, now i know why i don't code.
mircea_popescu: jurov im reading the logs see why my email died, haven't gotten therer yet but will presently.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html << ty jurov
jurov: mircea can do the same to get his email out
jurov: phoundation's seeds replaced with this_is_lame.txt, distributed
asciilifeform: ergo the experiment described in this_is_lame.txt - probably did not say anything new to the folks here, but may benefit the students
mircea_popescu: but the point is, since some of the brighter young minds on forum have taken to reading the logs, pointing out the plain obvious now and again is god's work
mircea_popescu: who with a clue is ever surprised by the facts of any matter in discussion ?
mircea_popescu: and there;'s a coupla more folks i wouldn'
mircea_popescu: yes, a supermajority. bluematt did mopst of the post 0.5.3 testing that's not retarded,
asciilifeform: e.g., the stuff i backported
asciilifeform: seems like he wrote most or all of the post-0.5.3 stuff that actually works
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pieter wuille. one of the more sane people involved.
mircea_popescu: o hey good idea. why didn't i think of that!
asciilifeform: incidentally, i have no idea who sipa is, but does appear to do much of the gruntwork in phoundation's bitcoind
mircea_popescu: jurov sure but i thought there was some funny story involved
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mircea_popescu: trinque: who in the fuck let these bastards steal fire from the gods, and why wasn't I told about this? << but... http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GreenspunsTenthRuleOfProgramming
asciilifeform: 10 whole lines were same, i think
jurov: alf, presumably your email client did this:
asciilifeform: (there's a few lines of code from that one in here)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you read the 'go for tea' letter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read that off the mail list ?
asciilifeform: ^ that in fact was the letter that turdatron swallowed
jurov: yes, clearsigned texts display directly in archive
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see this_is_lame.txt
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller go to -dev ask sipa
asciilifeform: jurov: if i attach it as attachment, will it display as normal message in turdatron (special case rule ?)
thestringpuller: or is that ALF question?
thestringpuller: MP how was this list created?
mircea_popescu: according to the five year old, the burning house is no immediate cause of concern, he has his teddy.
mircea_popescu: "economic lolexperts in webeconomies have reviewed the fact that they have nfi what's what , what matters and where to look"
mircea_popescu: and whilke this massacre's going on, "uh oh, 20mb blocks, it will work fine"
mircea_popescu: people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61. ☟︎
thestringpuller: MP where are you getting these stats?
mircea_popescu: mod6: still some 32400 nodes out there << no. look at that shit!
thestringpuller: "I'm going to drill holes in the bottom of all the mugs to illustrate a point"
thestringpuller: d00d in office used to joke about the mongodb coffee mugs they had given us
thestringpuller: jurov: yea. that was a really big story when it first came out. A lot of people started migrating of mongodb
mircea_popescu: ie, the reality produced by the "consensus" of the "community" of "developers" on twitter.
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "but WaffleDB is so much faster than mysql!" - which is a great argument if you're counting pageviews or storing log entries <<< yeah, which is a great argumrent too bad it's irrelevant.
lobbes: jurov: aha, I had not for some time. I'm digging the new look
mircea_popescu: tx is either in the main chain or in the mempool. the forks/orphans/we are irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork? << things can't end up detimestamped in the first place.
mircea_popescu: berkley db WAS NO GOOD because not modern enough. key value stores not a problem. those are good.
mircea_popescu: trinque: these "key value stores" are a joke << you don't understand the power ranger power range!
jurov: PeterL: asciilifeform's email had about hundred lines. if you make me a code that can unwrap them right in polynomial time...
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7YzgA )
lobbes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html << I see y'all went for the 'hacker-green-and-black' after all
artifexd: Current gossipd status: Education still in progress. Code to the point of loading keys and accepting connections.
PeterL: jorov: if messages get disastrously wrapped, could your program automatically unwrap them?
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coderwill: If you ever read or listen to Alan Watts this topic gets really subjective. :)
coderwill: that's an interesting question - I would say yes, but that I debate whether or not that is actually English or a regionalism
coderwill: hehe, I know a few latin americans that might disagree w/ that sentiment.
PeterL: re generating seedlist: once conected, the node has a list of working connections, yes? So dump some data from our working nodes into a file, that is our new seedlist for new nodes. Update periodically for people to grab from Foundation website.
jurov: imma using the phrase "it got disastrously wrapped" from now on
jurov: if attached, it will get converted into quoted-printable or such. but few email clients are able to do it with body, too
jurov: " to accommodate the many implementations of user interfaces that display these messages which may truncate, or disastrously wrap, the display of more than 78 characters per line" OMFG
davout: what looks like the correct solution -> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2045#section-6.7
mod6: oh yeah, i stopped it for now. i'll mess with it later tonight.
mod6: wow this thing ran all night wedged @ 168,000: but didn't die http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=384mvxXm
punkman: can't even find option to turn it off.
punkman: ^ if the block the bundle tx ends up in disappears, I think best idea is to make new tx
chetty: email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :)
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 05:11:42; trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork?
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2015#1004094 <<< transactions usually make it accross chain forks ☝︎
jurov: everyone PLEASE either wordwrap text before signing, or attach it as file so that email client as no chance to munge it (you can leave empty body then)
jurov: punkman: your email client wordwrapped the clearsigned text, i was able to undo it
jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was not able to determine why sig is bad. pls pastebin the original
jurov: and i was trying things like http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wot+database
jurov: i have found this but it won't work with short key ids: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4/json
jurov: kakobrekla: is there a database? or any way to query http://w.b-a.link by keyid?
jurov: uff.. three discarded msgs from btc-dev?
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punkman: !up The20YearIRCloud
cazalla: mebe telemarkets and auto dialer couldn't find anyone free at the call centre to put you through to
punkman: (actually says "Goodbye", not translated, with a somewhat american accent)
cazalla: i dunno, "goodbye" sounds a bit prophetic, i'd be getting the tinfoil hat and shotty, parachute at the ready
punkman: granted, I'm not in drone country and the paranoia feels a couple decades early.
punkman: always makes me think "is this the day I get droned?"
punkman: there's this robocaller that waits for me to pick up the phone and say something, pauses for a short time, then says "Goodbye" and hangs up.
asciilifeform: jurov: i post a mega-study of phoundation's nodes and your turdatron swallows it
trinque: they can discuss how best to attach bitcoin to the side of a sinking ship
trinque: why don't they just invite the phoundation to the real one
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