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mircea_popescu: that's how you end up with small programs
that do clear
things and without a userbase
that "has come
to expect"
adlai: the_scourge: "people who work a part-time job so
they can fund another person's part-time job doing
their homework"
the_scourge: adlai: 'college students' < doesn't
tell us anything
mircea_popescu: that's
the main
task of spec work : avoiding doing anything as much as humanly possible.
mircea_popescu: complex specs are in no sense better.
the only
thing a very complicated spec shows is
that
the designer did not understand
the overwhelming importance of not specifying.
adlai: the only good
thing i have
to say about scheme is
that it's abstruse enough
that sometimes college students pay me
to write it for
them :)
adlai: mircea_popescu: right, it's more
that i'll find some really interesting book, get all excited about reading it, and
then change my mind when i see a
three page index
the_scourge: last
time i was involved, people had
the same concerns, but on
the miner side of
things
mircea_popescu: adlai still. even people with good indedices, what are
they going
to put in
there ? can't make it half
the book.
nubbins`: incidentally,
that scene is why i stopped watching Saw movies
adlai: my book-buying process (when i'm in an actual bookstore and can flip
through
the book) is made or broken by
the quality of
the index
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: yah cool, i did read
through some logs
mircea_popescu: the_scourge generally
the advice given
to noobs is
to read
the logs for six months
to a year.
nubbins`: the_scourge among other
things, yes
the_scourge: what's
the benefit
to running a node? having
the whole blockchain?
mircea_popescu: adlai
the same process ruined me for books. i'm like "fucking paper no grep"
nubbins`: the_scourge because mining at
the personal level is retarded, but running a node is not.
adlai: it's gotten me grepping a lot more
though, which is good
the_scourge: ok i'm looking on
that site for a wiki... where can i find out > why nodes, and not miners?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: more like a
traffic violation (with bigger numbers)
than a criminal matter << Basically
this is my read of
the Erik situation. Govt settled because all
they could get was
the headline and
token cash.
the_scourge: yah i was going
to buy a pogo for nas work at home. but
then i spent $way_too_much_fiat and built a xeon one instead
adlai: using !s
to extend your memory of others' words, sure. extend your memory of others' actions, sure. ... but of your own actions!?
the_scourge: woah *wanders off
to find a wiki somewhere
the_scourge: standalone or like
that coffeewarmer
thing?
the_scourge: other
than
the chipset, pretty good architecture
though?
nubbins`: it's so shitty you actually have
to remove
the hyphen
the_scourge: asciilifeform: what's your
take on
the linuxino boards?
nubbins`: i have a handheld gps unit
that runs wince
trinque: the_scourge: I
think it's a bit of a problem
to expect anything other
than barbarism from
those
trained
to execute it at industrial scale
mircea_popescu: trinque
the
thing is
tho, by now "free" is wholly captured.
nubbins`: asciilifeform no big surprise
there
trinque: having been late
to every party in
the last decade, msft will now reinvent itself by being late
to free!
the_scourge: trinque: for an example of what i mean, watch
the russian
throat slitting vidoes... not
tactically strong
adlai needs
to get out of emacs someday
adlai: drill sergeants on individual
thinking: "if
there's any doubt,
there is no doubt", which eventually became "if you started
thinking, stop"
trinque: nubbins`: put a quarter in
the swear jar
the_scourge: trinque: you are (generally) correct, i was just saying in
the russian army, i
think some of
the weird shit was a result of
the slavery
nubbins`: asciilifeform so how 'bout running a node on
the NEW raspi ;p
trinque: or... why would so many listen
to so few were
they not slaves?
the_scourge: asciilifeform:
this is
true of many places. i was lucky in
that i was in a place where
they glorified individual
thinking, as much as possible
mircea_popescu: not nearly as orthogonal as all
that, for
that matter.
trinque: the_scourge: seems
the enslavement of soldiers has
to do with
the necessity of keeping
them loyal/taking orders
adlai: well and if you want
to prepare your men
to die in battle,
they better die in
training first, no?
adlai: this still happens occasionally, but whenever it's in a regular (non-elite, anybody-can-join-and-who-asked-you-anyways) unit,
these days,
the unit gets disbanded, officers decomissioned, etc
the_scourge: asciilifeform: such 'training' is orthoganal
to
tactical success
the_scourge: asciilifeform:
tormenting nods - not
the shocking stuff
the_scourge: asciilifeform: and i'm doing a bad job of it,
to be honest i've never been asked and i've never
tried externalizing it
the_scourge: asciilifeform: i was
trying
to get
to
the nuances. not
the shocking shit
adlai joined
the army right after a major push for increased
transparency in
the ritualized
torture of new recruits, so
the crazy stuff only happens in crazy units
these days
the_scourge: erm yah what bootnecks do it public knowledge i mean bear grylls does videos about
the weird stuff
PeterL: mircea_popescu: "You do not have, nor you can ever acquire
the right
to use, copy or distribute
this software" << should be "nor can you ever"
☟︎ adlai: as far as approved exercises go,
the worst i had was a week spent with a single day's food ration, most of which was spent in full NBC gear
the_scourge: adlai: right, for SERE
training, it gets a little weird
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: had
to
travel << Land on one side of
the country ride
to
the other on occasion even.
adlai: the_scourge is describing approved exercises. i'm describing legends about what happens in elite units outside
the approval and regulation of
the main army bodies.
the_scourge: so,
they do
things like, you spend 2 weeks on an excercise, march 12 miles into
the 'theatre' with 65lbs on your back, dig holes in
the ground all night, and
then lie in
them (saltwater) and defend
them, and
then do full dignified kit inspection, ready
to do a multi-unit ambush/assult all night
adlai: asciilifeform: i've heard stories ranging from having your nose broken,
to being strung up like a pig over an open fire,
to having your 'captors' alternate between putting your gun barrel up your ass and in your mouth - all of
this
to get you
to 'break' and reveal a secret
the_scourge: it's
the ability
to keep your dignity no matter what.
the_scourge: it's interesting how
the israeli culture generally knows about some of
these nuances.
the bootneck culture lives and breathes
them and i don't
think i could have bought
that for any price
mircea_popescu: <adlai> you'll have a hard
time finding a private
trainer
to subject you
to
them << not if you're a woman, wink wink
the_scourge: but again, before, i didn't even know what
those
things were. it's more
than just crawling
through broken glass for miles.
there are a lot of subtle nuances
the_scourge: adlai: for
those
things, if you can make yourself do
them,
then you're better off
than if batshit insane men force you
to do it, under
threat of bodily damage
adlai: dunno which legends you've heard about what
they do
to 'break' people in elite units
adlai: heh well some kinds of
training, you'll have a hard
time finding a private
trainer
to subject you
to
them