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pete_dushenski: never hurts to have a rich uncle
asciilifeform: 'let's meet the auntie'
hanbot: was a funny case of that in romania. prime minister, very corrupt, "from my auntie!"
asciilifeform: the above is not a statement of 'history is a boot stomping on a human face forever', but a testable hypothesis about actual near-future observables.
asciilifeform: 'mr x, you're a registered pauper, but is that a first class air ticket you're holding? where'dyagetthat' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Or arbitrary things
ben_vulpes wonders if this ddosser can be coerced into attacking arbitrary people in arbitrary channels
asciilifeform: i've said it before, but will say again, if 'humane' paper tax collection falls apart (and it seems that eventually must) - the old-fashioned door-to-door shakedowns will return
hanbot: good to know in case taxman shows up claiming otherwise :D
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours" http://bitbet.us/bet/1115/ Odds: 50(Y):50(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
ben_vulpes: one of those zero, one, infinity things.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Foundation tax receipt
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> does he have like a gpg signed thing from ben_vulpes or something ? << pardon?
asciilifeform: unless account holder is high in putin-wot, he might begin to have problems, no ?
mircea_popescu: respectively "please direct any inquiries to the central bank of china / putin / etc"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.47696636 BTC. Current weight: 71,999.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to top $1500 before 16 May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1106/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.3 BTC. Current weight: 82,128.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index RTS to drop under 500 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1109/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.0574767 BTC. Current weight: 51,537.
mircea_popescu: caller gets response, "nem tudom"
asciilifeform: bank gets a call - 'mr. x is a dangerous terrorist. is this a terrorist bank?'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: worked pre btc << still works on all but the l33t35t d00dz, who don't need a bank for anything, are entirely untainted by usa-juice, etc
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours" http://bitbet.us/bet/1115/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
mircea_popescu: i guess butthurt at it not having worked at all because well... nobody wants their money inside the beast.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, the tax break for repatriating corp profits? aolso gone.
asciilifeform: so, the chump can travel wherever he wants, to zimbabwe if he likes, but if we were to rock the boat - a bureaucrat flips the switch, and -bam- - he's a pauper.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller> US passport: Tax Curse, -10 from wealth << why i can't attend conference
BingoBoingo: Given BitBet's minimum time constraints
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the basic reason why u.s. tax is generally easy to enforce, is that most u.s. folk who have money are rich specifically in usg-controlled scrip or pseudo-realestate or the like
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yo, if this bet stays open until the fucking 6th, and it ends at 100k...
thestringpuller: chetty was saying she was still paying US taxes (or maybe I recally incorrectly)
mircea_popescu: cazalla im sure it'll be something like "bitpay paid 500k usd to franchise owner" thing
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i thought they'd flag your passport if you get IRS audited and charged for evasion? (though I guess this is more a dice roll if it occurs to an individual)
cazalla: i'm not implying he would have the authority, just when taxman might begin to believe he does
mircea_popescu: does he have like a gpg signed thing from ben_vulpes or something ?
cazalla: how long until tax man comes to you and says, i'm a reasonable guy, i'll accept payment for your taxes in bitcoin?
asciilifeform: afaik no one expat has yet been brought back in a cage for not paying. but i'm told that certain foreign banks will avoid you if they learn you have u.s. citizenship.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: always portraying the state as the retarded mafia
thestringpuller: US passport: Tax Curse, -10 from wealth
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the price of US passport is paying income tax wherever you live.
mircea_popescu: since i'm not in the pizzeria business... fuckall i care.
mircea_popescu: im sure they murder whoever dares open a pizzeria.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they fit the standard orc pattern.
thestringpuller: that's how they got Al Capone. "Tax Evasion"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ianal, but it is not the mere act of not paying, but what they consider to be an attempt to weasel out of having the tax assessed or collected, that constitutes the offence in the usa penal code
asciilifeform: (mircea_popescu probably knows something about the argentinian tax, even if he has not seen it in person)
thestringpuller: Don't you get sent to jail in the US if you don't pay taxes for X amount of time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: big fat news, usa is simply moving to the taxation system customary in most of the orcish world - levy exorbitantly high tax, and hope it makes up for spotty collection
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: submitted, funding tx sent
thestringpuller: cause the executor of the will is a scammer?
thestringpuller: this is why rednecks bury gold here in the confederacy
mircea_popescu: anything to prevent that ol' capital acumulation thing.
mircea_popescu: then, should your inheritor sell it when it's $10`000, usg wants further capital gains tax. not on 9k, but on $9990
thestringpuller: they try to, hence what I said about judge in future may instruct juries to stay away from bitbet
assbot: Inheriting Grandma’s House Comes With Tax Under Obama Plan - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpaSfd )
mircea_popescu: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-30/inheriting-grandma-s-house-comes-with-tax-bill-under-obama-plan <<< this is of particular interest to adult bitcoiners.
thestringpuller: super retarded judge if bitbet influences the trial
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can even blatantly abuse your journalistic position to make moar comedy gold.
asciilifeform: watch preet let him slip, just to win the bet.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll take that with 1 BTC for under six hours.
mircea_popescu: ima put a btc on "over 6 hours", how about that.
thestringpuller: lol "The jurors are instructed not to look at bitbet" - says the Judge.
mircea_popescu: lol that's not hard to say.
thestringpuller: is there a bitbet for if he gets convicted or not?
mircea_popescu: well if it were easy to say it wouldn't make much of a bet.
BingoBoingo: Hard to say. Instructions delivered tomorrow. Today was also first day of defense testimony...
mircea_popescu: bets on how long jury takes ?
BingoBoingo: So... Ulbricht trial is already done with closing statements...
gribble: dexx7 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 33 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 5 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <dexX7> i think i can up myself
mircea_popescu: o i thought btcetc
mircea_popescu: which meanwhile exploded scam was this ?
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2013 16:09:18; dexX7: looks they are serious with "50 new listings in one year"
BingoBoingo: Ah, the weird old days http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2013#411327 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: to the logs witcha, the_scourge
mircea_popescu: no nudes today tho ;/
lobbes: I leave to code for an hour and the conversation has moved from grepping, to dictionary specs, to biochemistry. Several of the reasons I love this channel
ben_vulpes: <the_scourge> which by the way, if we ever turn THAT kind of proof (fuck, even literate code commits) into PoW, then it's anybody's game (again) but ... too theoretical << bwahahahat?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y << harvard being somewhat useful rather than handing out A's to the females who are best in bed.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: i like the branch and fork model. and we do need a non-code collaboration toolset built around that model. and we know that model works for closed communities, dictatorships and everything else
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's true. Mitochondria have their own different DNA from their hosts and their hosts use them as a dependency
mircea_popescu: is that citizen global thing ?
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: they have an office nearby at which i drink occasionally
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Eh, mitochondria are their own seperate life form. sort of like a libc
mircea_popescu: diff between c2 and fedwiki is that well... fedwiki dun work.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: what's youre connection to newrelic?
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: plus, the technology could probably be adapted for closed communities
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: dude i was working on it when i still believed in randos. a long time ago
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: i've been in on his weekly hangouts a few times, very very cool times
ben_vulpes: collaborating with randos is for the birds.
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: i don't fuck with any of that stuff.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: if you know an implimentation of fedwiki that doesn't have js, let me know
ben_vulpes: seen it all, still works in the trenches
assbot: You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18Lg0Pf )
mircea_popescu: the_scourge the logs are actually linked in the topic. and the variety speak is http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/
the_scourge: also in the news, ward migrated his wiki to fedwiki
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: the_scourge: Not a bad log day to start on http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2013#411276 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: if you do it right, you'll find yourself searching through the dead logs for further context.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also in the news, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WhyWeHateLisp
ben_vulpes: those help too.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: ah thanks that makes sense. lurking is necessary anywhere you go. i thought he meant dead logs
BingoBoingo: Eh, mitochondria are their own seperate life form. sort of like a libc