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mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939858 << lol no, you should ask him if i gave him a فرمان
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939856 << you will notice that the whole echafaudage is specifically design to keep the world-elements at a low roar. if everything ran hot 24/7 i'd be seen in corner sharpening axe for imminent beheadings of misbehaving lords that failed to produce castles or w/e it is they failed to do -- in any case the situation's failure.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:23 diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939818 << i agree with this, make the index loglines if your whole thing is trying to order sets of lines by cardinal.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939807 << i beleive the ~self-petrification~ they invented on the basis of their understanding of saintly behaviours virtues and outcomes is discussed in the logs somewhere.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 12:42:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939730 << i thought turks mainly picked up youngest-sons for the yenicheri corps
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 12:33:01 asciilifeform: asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!'
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the analogue room -- asciilifeform already found a logical boojum in sync demo -- will not fetch tails for chans where nuffin was proposed to drop. ( easy to fix, but i've not enuff wake-hours atm to do it just nao )
asciilifeform: lobbes i'ma mirror your sigs when i wake up
lobbes: asciilifeform: for when circus festivities end, I have three sigs for the three latest patches to the logotron
asciilifeform: cycled bot, synced. i suspect this circus will continue after i goto bed tho.
asciilifeform: aand dead again, just as i was syncing..
asciilifeform: i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment.
mod6: trinque: no, I haven't spoken to him about that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma ask that you put a flame to the necessary arse tomorrow
asciilifeform: i'ma have to reset it manually & sync, brb
lobbes: asciilifeform, diana_coman I also have #lobbes registered with fleanode and live. Feel free to include in your loggers if you want. No archives to snarf really
ericbot: I am bot version 597604.
lobbes: asciilifeform: neato, I will give it some testing this weekend
asciilifeform: nitpicks, barfologies, welcome. i'ma bbl:meat.
asciilifeform: i considered to make it shit out edible sql dump; but then realized that i have nfi how to guarantee sanity re uniturdism in these.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:25 asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ s
asciilifeform: there is yet no eater for these outputs (tho will not be difficult to write, i suspect)
trinque: deedbot also has logs, just not surfaced. I'd be interested in reading.
asciilifeform: trinque: actually i have a draft ready to review
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:02:13 asciilifeform: was thinking re how oughta do auto-syncs. one possible method, is for bot to take command via pm, e.g. !q sync 1000 http://logs.ossasepia.com ; would then walk last N (here, 1000) ln, and offer 'identical', 'diverges prior', or 'diverges at I', I is index, and offer alignment, operator (set in config who) can then confirm or reject
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, I'll ask him about it.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937851 << so here's an idea. suppose you could define a ttl on your voice tokens, i.e. "worx until block x". then folks could pile them up for travels.
lobbes: still ain't a mp-endorsed castle either. I figure that time may come one day, but that time isn't now as far as I can tell.
lobbes: asciilifeform: yea, I think I'ma gonna register a new channel with fleanode (#lobbes). As such, no need for archive import (there wasn't much in the old one either save for testing of various things). I'll let you know once it is live
asciilifeform: even the 6, i found will spill on some very small screens
asciilifeform: lobbes: i dun have any problem w/ including your castle ( is it properly proclaimed castle via mp yet ? btw ? ) -- tho may have to fiddle w/ the htmlism so all 7 actually fit in the header . lemme know when yer ready to deed a signed copy of the archival log for it, to be eaten.
lobbes: once I make that switch, I would not mind it being logged if folx are willing to log it
lobbes: however, I'm considering simply registering a "#lobbes" in its stead. However, haven't yet gotten to it due to the need to go through the rigmarole of registering it with fleanode, setting all my bots to +o, etc.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I meant that multiple-chan is the part where automation wins here; otherwise retrieving the lines + drop/insert is anyway semi-automated at best for the above reasons.
diana_coman: anyway, I'll read & try if you publish it
diana_coman: tbh that's the main reason why I didn't reach for "automate it" - because a lot of it still remains manual; it's more this multiple-chan the trouble perhaps than anything else.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, I don't think it can safely be fully automatic or not at this stage at least.
asciilifeform: if diana_coman et al know how to turn this algo into one suitable for automatic operation, i'ma take off my hat, and write it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hence why i will not propose it as a fully automatic mechanism, i.e. part of bot reconnector.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my point re misleading longest sequence was if new talk in between getting sequence from a and from b, causing b to be longest just because latest retrieved; anyway, I don't think it can be done a whole lot better at this level really.
diana_coman: true; honestly, the only reasonable sync that I can see is literally bots talking to one another ie ...gossipd, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939767 << nifty! I will apply patch later today (submerged in saecular liquishit atm)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939730 << i thought turks mainly picked up youngest-sons for the yenicheri corps
asciilifeform: asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 11:35:51 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to buy, cuz unequipped to comment in detail just yet
mp_en_viaje: there is literally no case of consonant-e- root from slavic that became consonant-i in ro.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation
snsabot: I am bot version 597604.
asciilifeform: ( tho i'ma reset mine later today, to display correct ver )
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that folx immediately assumed the bug were a feature, lol.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:31:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939654 << sorry, what ? did i miss something here ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:42:17 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939717 << this is bug, i'ma take a look shortly ( and bots already were marked in grey, no need at all for any other marking )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:58:08 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
diana_coman: I agree with the spurious "bot" though; now it reads "ossabot bot", ugh.
ossabot: I am bot version 597604.
bvt: asciilifeform, diana_coman: i have reuploaded the reground vpatch with version in bot.py set correctly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 12:16:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939617 << this is how i ended up with an almost entirely broken reconnector for 40d, lol
diana_coman: at least bot reconnected properly so I didn't http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939638
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:56:24 mp_en_viaje: very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... has had a hard life, but nevertheles... is very happy to see you! 
mp_en_viaje very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... has had a hard life, but nevertheles... is very happy to see you!
mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
snsabot: I am bot version 596907.
mp_en_viaje: the one advantage of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939683 as a general policy of the republic would be that it'd permit more meaningful / informative version reports. ie, "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907, "added mustachios and removed pistachios", by dillaudildo." in lieu of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907."
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939685 << which makes it easy to forget (not that i'm defending it).
mp_en_viaje: it was, amusingly, the chinese emperor who lacked subtility ; not that i fundamentally disagree with his first pass evaluation. but it is he that's the simple native in the relationship, on last examination.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 14:05:26 mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939654 << sorry, what ? did i miss something here ?
lobbes: In the meantime I stopped by spyked's castle to see if maybe he has a pill I'm not aware of for the cl-bot, since I'm pretty unversed in all things lisp
lobbes: asciilifeform: yeah, I'm seriously considering swapping the "base" bot with yours at some point. Reconnect issues are a veritable plague for running an auction house (refunds are one thing, but in BingoBoingo's case, for e.g., I know he's depending on auctions closing on schedule in order to pay bills)
lobbes: ah okay, now I see. makes sense
lobbes: oh, so the intention is to update that version # only if changing the bot.py? I assumed it was to be updated even if just changing the reader.py, for e.g.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i deliberately did not put it in config !
asciilifeform: otherwise i'ma fix , but not until next patch
snsabot: I am bot version 596907.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 02:25:07 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from o
mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it.
asciilifeform: mod6: cuz if so, i'ma start invoicing for it, the price keeps steadily creeping up
asciilifeform: i suspect they've a ms-excel plugin for irc , but not for log parsing, or somesuch lul
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939628 << seems to lurk in #a too. perhaps the current enemy spy, i have nfi
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939617 << this is how i ended up with an almost entirely broken reconnector for 40d, lol
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:13:54 diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch?
diana_coman: bvt: ping please when you regrind as I will sign it and mirror it too, thank you.
spyked: hm, earliest I see on that is asciilifeform's http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935924
diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
diana_coman: bvt: ty, I'll give it a try.
diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch?
mp_en_viaje: m or Taoism. I have never seen a document which contains so much nonsense. From now on, Westerners should not be allowed to preach in China, to avoid further trouble."
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from other small, bigoted sects of Buddhis
lobbes: k, got the latest logotron patch applied. asciilifeform: I've also read through and signed said patch
ericbot: I am bot version 596907.
lobbes: ugh now I need to update by ericbot to asciilifeform's new patch. Above echo from #pizarro ^^^