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trinque: and faster
than chords because no stretch
to
the modifier
trinque: leader bindings are as fast as you
type
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 22:56:02; asciilifeform: 'the only 'intuitive' interface is
the
tit - everything after
that is learned.'
the_scourge: i've noticed you don't capitalize a lot of
the
time
the_scourge: any
time you are holding down one key and pressing another is painful. even
the shift is an example of
this
the_scourge: as opposed
to combinations which are clearly natural.
they are idiomatic so
the brain groks
them more, and
the fingers do
them easier
the_scourge: asciilifeform: i get remapping caps and ctrl, but it still means you're having
to combine keystrokes which is always painful
to watch
trinque: easily
thumb-pressed on
this keyboard
the_scourge: well i'm paying myself paternity leave coming up soon so i'll learn emacs. haven't had a chance for a bit of
time in a while
the_scourge: i assumed it was poor design and useless academics who'd never had
to do a hard day's work in
their lives. perhaps it is a shit
test?
the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude
Test. Do you remap your keyboard or
the Emacs keybindings before
the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything
to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have
the prerequisite aptitude
to use it productive.' (naggum, who else.
http://www.xach.com/na < funny,
that's one of
the reason i've avoided
☟︎ the_scourge: no, sorry i wasn't bullshitting. i'm just
trying
to point out implementation vs architecture
the_scourge: you sound confident. what if i
told you
there was a psyc daemon implemented in 15 lines of common lisp? :)
the_scourge: there are a dozen i
think. 2 of
them named psycd
the_scourge: speaking of greenfield, what was
the reason for greenfielding a re-implementation of psycd? (assuming gossipd has already been written)
the_scourge: intuition is destroyed. creativity ruined. because we're
tyring so hard
to not do what we are misconceited as what went wrong?
the_scourge: is gossipd
this psycd-like symetrically encrypted UDP IM protocol?
the_scourge: and
that search needs a d at
the end ^ (for anyone following along at home)
the_scourge: "I estimate
that 90-95% of
the work in Plan 9 was directly or indirectly
to honor externally imposed standards." < wow
that is really sad... and ... is
there a solution?
the_scourge: asciilifeform: can i get a blow by blow on what historical event was
this allegorical
thermonuclear war?
trinque: I recently mapped my f keys
to load projects in emacs and appropriate window layouts in stumpwm
trinque grows
to suspect
that
there is not a programming environment asciilifeform likes
the_scourge: actually i
take it back,
the problems here were probably not market-based, but more cultural (and lack of appropriate customers)
the_scourge: just when i was starting
to
think esr and rms didn't have a point. maybe
they did
trinque has very little idea where
to start in
terms of choosing a sane programming environment with which
to make bezzlars
trinque: asciilifeform: same situation as reaching out
to Java in clojure
then
trinque: doesn't
the parenscript compiler eat cl and poop js?
trinque: ye gods, no firm ground
to stand upon
trinque: asciilifeform: does cl fall under $retardlang
too?
the_scourge goes
to find out what is opengenera and where has it been hiding
trinque: sure, hail satan and pass
the node
trinque: what I'd like is a situation where I'm writing
the same language in both a browser and on
the server
trinque: but yeah, sausage...
turd...
trinque: I've considered
trying just sbcl on one side and parenscript on
the other
trinque: what I end up using has a lot
to do with "what can I fart a website out in"
trinque: asciilifeform:
too much "magic under hood" as you said?
the_scourge is
thinking perhaps he could slowly
transition his consulting
to clojure development and keep his existing clients
the_scourge: other
than 2 houses across
the road,
there are no neighbors for over 6 miles in all directions
the_scourge: same
thing here. i love playing
the piano as loud as possible :D
the_scourge: asciilifeform: Architecture of Symbolic Computers <
this is
the one?
the_scourge: asciilifeform:
thanks. historically all i know about is really
the AI lab stuff. i went
through a phase where i read
the jargon book and some more 'original' sources about
the AI labs. but
this was almost 20 years ago
mircea_popescu: ... you want
to code for a machine
that doesn't exist ?!
the_scourge: personally i'm interested in one
that hasn't been made yet
the_scourge: so, something minimal i guess? scheme is used for embedded stuff i've seen. guile is interesting just 'cause
the gnu nix clone uses it
the_scourge: that mark
tarver article really resonated with me.
that pretty much described me
to a
T.. and still does. it's actually why i ended up doing non-STEM degrees:
there is no lack of boredom when you're lost in a library
cazalla: ;;later
tell bingoboingo fixed 2 spelling mistakes last paragraph
the_scourge: first is
to be able
to continue (at least for a while) doing my consulting without shooting myself from boredome
BingoBoingo: On day
the phenomenon is in
the logs getting discussed,
the next it's
the angle used
to disect a fraud in
the news.