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mircea_popescu: might be a bug specific to the 9.8o but then that doesn't explain how all the others worked
mod6: so far. it's really weird still though, because i wasn't having this problem before. and we've always been using an old ssl.
asciilifeform did not test with anything other than the shortly post-heartbleed turdball specified in 'portatronic'
mircea_popescu: this is pretty massive if true. mod6 do you feel like testing for this insanity specifically ?
mod6: it's old. this is what was included with ben's script to configure deb6.
mircea_popescu: uh that's like 2010 ?!
mod6: which was from the orig debian 6 iirc
mircea_popescu: from what to what ?
mircea_popescu: any idea what the hook was ?
mod6: i just got a chance to work on it again here now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was an attempt at something like tor.
mircea_popescu: mod6 took the whole day ?!
mircea_popescu: am i a bad person for lulzing at this ?
mircea_popescu: "psycd is currently being refactored into a GNUnet service to run secushare on. The former psycd code is quite interesting, but currently unmaintained. "
asciilifeform: just have the thing load a straight linux kernel
asciilifeform: imho in the final turd we nuke it
assbot: Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENf3mx )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/#comment-112033 << and the perennial question.
asciilifeform: used in perhaps 90% of the embedded net junk on the planet
asciilifeform: (you can pump in a fresh kernel with tftp)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had some toast earlier, the toaster:~$ said :L)
asciilifeform: helps in resurrecting a totally b0rk3d machine, yes
asciilifeform: and tcp/ip stack...
asciilifeform: there's a complete shell in there
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with shortcuts in principle, but this one hurts.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron for the sake of sanity, can you proceed closer to asciilifeform's original ?
asciilifeform built the uboot from public sources
mircea_popescu: a shortcut through the mud
asciilifeform: bash script that downloads and flashes in somebody's uboot
asciilifeform: one ends up with a mindbogglingly-heavy ubuntu-style thing, complete with 'systemd'
danielpbarron: i'm happy to experiment with alternatives
asciilifeform: i used the disk image from it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a public set of instructions for installing 'archlinux' for arm onto 'pogo'.
danielpbarron: when i searched the log for pogo, i found that linked
mircea_popescu: what is the arch install and how did it end up imported in here ?
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, danielpbarron had a normal pogo
asciilifeform did no such thing
danielpbarron: one of the steps in the arch install might have done something to the built in flash; i'm not sure to be honest
asciilifeform: and throw in favourite hexeditor
asciilifeform: other than that, one can take a snapshot: dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=turd.bin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when the thing warms up, it dumps uboot ver. to the serial console
mircea_popescu: any way to check fw vers ? other than popping unit ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: so possibly you got a slightly more recent fw than i
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: yes, but it was able to boot from it after.
danielpbarron: the arch install occured on the pogo, if that's what you mean
trinque: I-I just want to swim in a lake not filled with shit!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cl rewrite of emacs, 'climacs', was almost usable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: trinque: how do you propose to have the browser end run cl? << haha this i wanna see. clonqueror.
mircea_popescu: yeh he booted the drive. did you danielpbarron ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: uboot is resident in the 128mb eeprom
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you installed arch to the drive and booted to it, didntcha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but uboot is resident on the drive ?
danielpbarron: i used brand new unused hard drives.. is it possible that has anything to do with it?
danielpbarron: hm, mine was so easy to do i felt weird re-writing instructions for it
asciilifeform: the unit i have, had to be reflashed with a modern build of this, to boot from anywhere other than the kernel and root partitions in eeprom
asciilifeform: (a kind of programmable bootloader, similar to 'lilo')
asciilifeform: there is a boot partition there, containing an ancient version of 'uboot'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: when thing powers up, it boots from the eeprom
danielpbarron: i followed the instructions on the archlinux page for pogo and it worked
danielpbarron: i should add more stuff like that so it isn't all command line copy paste
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "You can throw out the packaging and manual; we won't be needing those." << gotta love the justifiable pride the most serene republic's flag elates out of people.
trinque: my grandfather still gets hassled at the border for "american party" involvement back in the day
asciilifeform was actually rather surprised to be let out last time
mircea_popescu: actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value.
trinque: if I ever make it out of the gravity well I'd love to get an actual education.
asciilifeform: (incidentally, american banks learned from the 'salami' case and now do it SOP.)
trinque: well, taught what you're after
trinque: mircea_popescu: hard to get taught anything if you're fighting the teacher
asciilifeform: like the bank thief who pockets rounding errors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly. in this sense, the ultimate engine/life form would be one that lives somehow off the shaving.
mircea_popescu: as 1 goes up and 2 goes down there's at some critical point after which a man is taking his voice in his hands.
asciilifeform: there was even an old sf story which posited that various microscopic physical limit phenomena result from the emulator shaving cycles in this manner.
mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ compression of spacetime via 'memoization'. this is more or less how one would implement toy universes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically speaking, the milk and water mixing IS recorded in ever yinstance.
mircea_popescu: interesting how qm actually clips the graph there huh.
asciilifeform: global record in the sense of every instance
mircea_popescu: there's of course a finite number of photons that saw it, but w/e man.
mircea_popescu: and global record of 1+1 was trivial. perhaps on a machine much akin to physical reality : the result of mixing milk and water is stored for everyone to see - they need but look
asciilifeform: rather than a global record of every 1+1.
asciilifeform: even the nock stack posited local caching for trivialities
trinque: I try to only ask a few stupid questions a day :P
asciilifeform: interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never.
asciilifeform: note to future stooges, moles: take some actual care to be distinguishable from comment spam on our www sites
asciilifeform: 'omg1111!!111 i am so interested in xxxxxxxx tell me moar'
asciilifeform: the last straw was the bugger 'shannonizing' my www. i wonder if there's some 'person' that this genuinely works on.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suppose anyone here who hasn't killfiled, will learn the answer.
asciilifeform: !down the_scourge
trinque: asciilifeform: think he's reading logs and fishing?
asciilifeform: i hope they send him off to wherever they demoted ninjashogun to.
asciilifeform: ^ and the_scourge, don't bother pm-ing. killfiled.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for the_scourge from 1 to -2 with note: dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome.
asciilifeform: !rate the_scourge -2 dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome.
the_scourge: i need to head off... this weekend i'm going to look into the parallella. i'm curious if a symbolics machine could be implemented in it's FPGA
the_scourge: bindings are a really personal thing. i just hope that i can learn emacs and manage to use leaders for everything, that's all :)
asciilifeform: yes, technically - they are.
asciilifeform: or rather, this is not unlike the observation that everybody at the cemetary is there 'because' they breathed air.
the_scourge: yes, these were people who had always had it remapped
the_scourge: well i've seen a lot of gnarled old hands. all of them told me it was chording that did it
asciilifeform: what was the point?