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mircea_popescu: notwithstanding
that you know... you gotta spend nine months eating for free
mircea_popescu: "
This of course adds
the complexity
to Clojure.
The question is – does
this acquired complexity worth it? I
think it does. You gain a platform
that is being poured
thousands of man-hours every year into, you gain a GC
that is being optimized for you, you gain
the crossplatformity basically for free. You may call
that opportunism but it works after all."
mircea_popescu: "Engineering complexity is a form of environmental pollution; perhaps even
the worst form of all, because it may yet
turn out
to be
the case
that it can kill whole civilizations, not just individual people."
mircea_popescu: "in a sense, Windows is a result of
the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it." << and in
this sense...
their merging would be expected at about
the
time "most people" couldn't if press explain exactly what
the ++ stand for.
mircea_popescu: not all of
them actually end in a resonant chamber do
they ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform laugh if you will, but if pressed
to come up with a definition of humanity, at least as an ideal object,
the most sound i can
think up is, "that collection of objects which construct relations which degrade gracefully"
mircea_popescu: now
that...
that is EXACTLY what i had in mind earlier.
mircea_popescu: 00
times more
than it did in 1950, when managers scribbled unreadable notes and very quick and efficient
typists corrected
their spelling, grammer, and language and adhered
to "company style" effortlessly."
mircea_popescu: ce
tag, a secretary does not produce any more measurable output now
than in 1950 -- in fact,
the evidence suggests
that obtaining _half_
the productivity of a 1950's secretary in 1997 is a major feat.
the fact
that managers write
their own reports at down
to 1/10th of
the speed of a secretary
that used
to be paid 1/10th of
their salary also means
that
the
time spent producing a letter or a report can cost as much as 1
mircea_popescu: "according
to a report in
the Economist earlier
this year,
the cost of producing any piece of business communication dropped along with advances in computers from 1950
through 1980. from 1985
through 1995, it rose sharply enough
to consume all earnings made since 1950. it is significantly more expensive
to produce a business letter in 1997
than it was in 1950. despite many
technological advances with a very high pri
mircea_popescu: there's
two kinds of socialist minds in
this world,
the sort
that expect all people
to be equally stupid, and
the sort
that expect all people
to be equally smart.
mircea_popescu: at which point does
the use of "seperate" in
the original
text suggest
to him
that he's dealing with a simple man with simple problems and he'd better stick
to simpler solutions ?
mircea_popescu: lol
this naggum
thing. jesus christ he's impossible
to
talk
to.
mircea_popescu: (note
that
this does not mean
the same as "was ever married" in
the slightest, which is
the point)
mircea_popescu: which of course in a different
time would beg
the snide question if orwell were ever married.
mircea_popescu: (to dampen
that : fry likes wilde more because wilde was a fag
than because wilde was good. which he wasn't
THAT good. but nevertheless,
THIS point is sound in
this context)
mircea_popescu: also obligatory, wilde. "i will leave it
to you
to fix
the ifs and
thens and wherefores"
mircea_popescu: but
the reason itdoes is specifically -
that recipient is not computer.
mircea_popescu: BUT if
the computer you are
talking
to is equally redundant and badly built, you are either an idiot or very very unfortunate.
mircea_popescu: the great utility of
the scribe / secretary, rather
than
the
tits, is
that natural languages have piles and layers of redundancy built in. a good note
taker is a cheap way
to gain 50
to 100% speed and a decent 10
to 25% quality for very little cost.
mircea_popescu: so i agree
that
talking
to computers is loathsome. however, i often use note
takers when speaking rather
than writing myslelf.
the latter explains
the former.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re
the "Have you ever actually used a speech recognition system
to enter serious lengths of
text? " line in your comments : i agree
talking
to a comp
mod6: im looking forward
to
that discussion, as well as
the BDB removal discussion
mod6: yeah, some well
thought out decisions
to be made for sure. :)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> back
to
the boojum - do i misunderstand or did
the
thing unwedge when moved
to 'modern' openssl ? << yup,
that's what unwedged it. move from openssl v0.9.8o -> openssl 1.0.1g
danielpbarron: oh btw,
the pogo running with swap space hasn't crashed yet, currently at 87k
mod6: So, yeah,
there are a number of
topics
that we look forward
to discussing with you about future of
the R.I. We'll get
there. :]
mod6: right,
then
there was
that whole discussion.
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable <<
this from reading up on old mpex material ?
mircea_popescu: like,
the node, which is an always on demon, and
then various
things connecting
to it : such as other nodes, on
the eth card, or
the user, always on
the specifically delegated interface, etc ?
mod6: where you can connect
to 'bitcoind' with a wallet of your choosing. if
that's what you mean.
mod6: something
to
that effect, perhaps. yes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 does
that idea go as far as making bitcoin a sort of xserver ?
mircea_popescu: "do not
tell me of what seems acceptable as an idea
to pudgy people driving on
the interstate
towards connecticut. i do not care."
mod6: asciilifeform: One school of
thought is
to
take
the wallet, and place it outside of
the R.I. as a seperate entity.
mircea_popescu: " My standard of comparison for any
technology will always be everything previously achieved by mankind, rather
than what is available on
the market
today."
mircea_popescu: and a sad
testament
to what you get stuck with if , like satoshi, have
to jackbuild a house
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck we're importing from a different project - and
THAT one in particular is anyone's guess
mircea_popescu: mod6
this issue is critical because it's easily
the squishiest point of
the whole protocol.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> roll in
the five or six pieces
that are actually used. << I want
to collect some more data on
this issue. But I'm open
to discussing
this option going forward.
mircea_popescu: such is
the fate of right wing movements
tho, bereft of means and resources as
they are.
mircea_popescu: is how
that spammer guy killed qntra and
then bitcoin-assets.
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 22:56:02; asciilifeform: 'the only 'intuitive' interface is
the
tit - everything after
that is learned.'
mod6: <+mircea_popescu>
this is pretty massive if
true. mod6 do you feel like
testing for
this insanity specifically ? << yes, im sure
that i'll dig into
this further
assbot: On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason
to believe
that libsecp256k1 is better
tested and more
thoroughly reviewed
than
the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1xEmxjb )
mircea_popescu: you recall,
the one
that's so well
tested apud gmaxwel
mircea_popescu: course also what
the wunderbar vc boys are
trying
to do with
their NOVEL inmplemetnation
mod6: and now wedges for some crazy reason. now I'm gonna upgrade
to 1.0.1g
there as well (just upgraded my deb6 on vbox vm
to start with) and
try
to pass
the wedge
too.
mod6: so
thats ^^^ my version of openssl on my aws instance, and i've sync'd successfully at lesat a dozen
times in
the last 4 months on
there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you be specific rather
than rhetoric ? i dun follow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am willing
to bet
there are over 1kbugs in
this
thing. all distinct.