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ben_vulpes: subspace in busy warehouse, not much by way of rent or opportunities for theft.
ben_vulpes: with tens of thousands of dollars in hardware
ben_vulpes: actually asciilifeform i contest this stance
asciilifeform: when i said 'security cost', it does not necessarily refer to tanks or rockets
ben_vulpes: what is different there? why no orcs or plunderers?
asciilifeform: but notice that the pictured workshop is not built into the man's home, presumably he is not present there 24/7.
ben_vulpes: out in the woods, the sop (as i understand it, not having pulled this particular hat trick myself) is to fire a warning shot, shoot the invader, and then call the sherrif.
thestringpuller: when you shoot him in the suburbs, everyone loses their shit.
thestringpuller: it's okay to shoot a nigga in the hood.
asciilifeform: perhaps if the tresspasser is white/anglo, it is overlooked.
ben_vulpes: most recently, we've seen what happens to people who shoot each other in the suburbs
asciilifeform: ^ we've seen what happens to folks who actually try
ben_vulpes: fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too
ben_vulpes: i did notice the door was unlocked.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one could get a similar space in some parts of usa, but it would be under 24/7 orc siege and security costs for parity with the pictured workshop would dwarf the rent
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the non-obvious tidbit in the film is that the man can afford those digs without being especially loaded
ben_vulpes: but uh normally the fab does not produce hipsters, no.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: D1X can do strange things to a man.
ben_vulpes: these old fab hands and their msboxen
ben_vulpes: "common household tools"
thestringpuller: so they brainwashing people out there ben_vulpes ?
thestringpuller: he was like "I've become a hipster even though I was an anti-hipster"
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: buddy of mine who works at the intel plant up there.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:39; mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
thestringpuller: i guess. they said the city is a hipster factory.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: heard something about your city today lol
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ? << working towards this is the root my plaintive cries about what it means to "bitcoinate"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ? << gotta move all the transaction generation logic out of the turd. implies a database replacement using something that can actually be queried, not a braindamaged k/v store.
thestringpuller: really would love to watch a Comedy show inspired by the work of ALF
ben_vulpes: spittoon, though
ben_vulpes: right! it's totally innocuous.
asciilifeform: in the list of miseries of c/cpp work, this is somewhere near the very bottom.
ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but...
ben_vulpes: i start to understand how badly the c toolchain messes with ones head
asciilifeform: if anyone is confused about this mechanism, please say. because it is quite central to the whole thing.
asciilifeform: the act of toggling versions of libs breaks into these two things, headers (.h) and the libs themselves (for linker.)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see the vars set in build.sh; then look at the top of makefile.unix (bitcoind)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: limiting the conversation to gcc variants, the command line lib and include flags take precedence for search paths
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: study the example in 'portatronic'
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform: forgive my naivte, but what's the recommended approach to efficiently toggling between versions of libs for compiling cturds? in particular, ssl for bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: filling tank
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't buy the malicious usg. thing is purely reactive, and only within the logic of itself.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: failure of imagination ^ here. more interestingly, we could, say, go on a 'disappearing' plane. or, more comically, turned out on the return leg: 'we've never heard of you, go and starve in mexico city where you came from'
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.
adlai is a fan of dropping in a url and letting assbot do the heavy lifting
adlai: [] really is getting quite tedious
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never. << /me waves
adlai: by that logic, world war iii is the 'war on drugs'
ben_vulpes curls tighter into a hangover ball
trinque: how many countries have to be fighting a war for the phrase "world war" to apply?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
ben_vulpes: ;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
ben_vulpes: a real joy to work with
danielpbarron: better than refreshing a faucet
danielpbarron: hey at those QNTR prices, I made ~5 bucks per article i wrote. not bad :D
danielpbarron: heh, someone did, and it's not configured to serve blocks at the moment
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, did you just try to connect to my node?
ben_vulpes: <chetty> [] and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so << pretty much here already in the states
asciilifeform: what political tack would you imagine he'd have taken, if he had not been a lamer (as pictured in your article) ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ruling elite of his time/place showed every symptom of having 'lost the mandate of heaven', to use the chinese term of art tailor made for this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the historical picture in my head is incomplete, but i just can't grasp the portrait of orwell as cockless worm.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2014 17:33:21; asciilifeform: people don't seem to grasp the fact that the situation in 'shall be delivered' is as inevitable as that first street drunk who electrocuted himself in the 1870s (?)
asciilifeform: and, related to above thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#567692 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: is well... laughable. good luck wioth that, you only have one life and when that's finished there you go.
asciilifeform: so this.
mircea_popescu: charlie going "i am willing to work with planes as long as either the light stays on or x or y"
mircea_popescu: and to "fuck you charlie, read or don't read but the light stays out"
mircea_popescu: it came about to "fuck you louise, go in the air shelter and sit there"
asciilifeform: ialism. As it is, the aeroplane is primarily a thing for dropping bombs and the radio primarily a thing for whipping up nationalism. Even before the war there was enormously less contact between the peoples of the earth than there had been thirty years earlier, and education was perverted, history rewritten and freedom of thought suppressed to an extent undreamed of in earlier ages. And there is no sign whatever of these te
asciilifeform: 'Some months ago, in this column, I pointed out that modern scientific inventions have tended to prevent rather than increase international communication. This brought me several angry letters from readers, but none of them were able to show that what I had said was false. They merely retorted that if we had Socialism, the aeroplane, the radio, etc. would not be perverted to wrong uses. Very true, but then we haven’t Soc
mircea_popescu: the plane CHANGED their life. it didn't come about to make 1900 a more-1800-than-1800.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, by 1950 the vast majority of the utility of planes was dropping bombs on people's heads.
mircea_popescu: you aware of this ?
mircea_popescu: the generalexpectation being, that it will meld into people's lives as they are, making them more so.
mircea_popescu: when the airplane came about, everyone hailed it as a "great civilizing factor"
mircea_popescu: well, let me change this from something we don't know to something we do know.
asciilifeform: but does this resolve to 'will work for them' ?
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, relish the notion of lasers-at-dawn
asciilifeform: if anything, they may (depending on inclinations) cower in feat of the inevitable laser pistol battles
asciilifeform: would folks 'have the expectation that room-temp supercon will work for them' ?
asciilifeform: let's imagine that holy grail, room-temperature superconductor, were discovered tonight
adlai: if it's an unconscious expectation, then i'm not conscious of having it :)
mircea_popescu: how do you know this ?
adlai doesn't have this expectation
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 20:09:21; mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
asciilifeform: the 'work self' thing i remember, but still find it bizarre
mircea_popescu: a good word to look up in period italian literature.
mircea_popescu: italians, as their states were disintegrating, called this spezzatura
asciilifeform probably needs to reread tlp, because he finds this a little confusing
mircea_popescu: however... not trying it, is the real performance.
mircea_popescu: ANYONE Could be an actual star/paratrooper/president if they actually tried.
mircea_popescu: no, you imagine specifically that you aren't, and that this is specifically why it matters.
asciilifeform: that's kinda how i pictured the narcissism working - you play 'paratrooper' and imagine that you are in fact a ww2 hero
mircea_popescu: game much more serious, because not being the work self, it actually therefore must be... THE REAL ME
adlai: khaneman has a chapter on this, tl;dr is that a good "expert" is one who knows when to mistrust expert intuition
asciilifeform: another matter entirely to lazily play game 'paratrooper'
asciilifeform: it's one thing to sign a freshly-packet parachute with your blood, swearing 'i am responsible for this, whatever happens'
mircea_popescu: adlai equally harder the smarter you get.
mircea_popescu: by any one of the 0.05 people present on the same square mile
adlai: well you can catch yourself being stupid before you "open your mouth and remove all doubt", although i guess it's harder the stupider you get