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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform not so foolish as to think about 'homogeneous enforcement environments', knows that there are, e.g., vast deserts in usa where folks set off trucks full of dynamite for amusement, etc. << Sometimes law enforcement attention comes to these folks too.
ben_vulpes: (again, i am not an expert in this area)
ben_vulpes: GE entails actually riding on a compressed cushion between the foil and the ground, not the lift off the foil alone.
ben_vulpes: that's not ground effect if i understand the mechanism in question correctly.
decimation: it's an interesting use of ground effect though
decimation: ben_vulpes: lol that's nuts
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too << Different kind, even tolkien had different kinds of orcs
assbot: The best wing suit /skydive from you tube PART1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1A2ZFl5 )
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU << this sort of thing
decimation: folks who volunteer to jump out of a perfectly good aircraft?
ben_vulpes: there's also the squirrelsuit insanity
decimation: in particular with paragliding, I think that it attracts a certain set of folk who might not consider safety as a top priority
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah we ground-bound folk don't appreciate the air movements around objects
decimation: bitcoinquestions: it is my understanding that macOs uses freebsd's rng (Yarrow), but you are implictly trusting apple...
ben_vulpes: i saw a gents quadrotor get sucked into its own downdraft near a wall one time, and slam itself repeatedly into said wall while its pilot tried to rescue it
ben_vulpes: decimation: aeronautics is full of exciting! new! innovative! ways to die.
danielpbarron: is the machine connected to a network?
bitcoinquestions: If I generate a key on a MAC OS that I use for other purposes is it at all secure? Or should I not even bother generating keys if I'm not on a linux distro?
decimation: re: parasail < I've heard of incidents where pilots of parasails fly too close to moving trains. They get caught in the vortex and then crash
ben_vulpes: got some lulz for me today?
ben_vulpes: just...limited subset of the control space.
ben_vulpes: don't get me wrong, they're fly as hell.
mircea_popescu: well, you gotta move to pilot it
ben_vulpes: sorta like the "chair with prop hanging from parasail" design.
mircea_popescu: no i meant for your muscle contact thing
ben_vulpes: i like things without much by way of engine.
mircea_popescu: actual planes, how do you call them
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so take up bobsleigh. better for your health. << or bicycles, more actual physical connection of your meat with the dynamic systems in question. airplanes and helicopters worth looking into as well
gabriel_laddel: kk. I should be discussing this in design documents anyways.
gabriel_laddel: t) rather than just a false positive. Again, I've never written C, and perhaps the ast is so complicated that it's actually impossible to get any useful information out of it, but my current experience suggests that having this ability is a good idea. Building something like `slime-who-calls' suddenly becomes simple.
gabriel_laddel: Why might one want to see the C ast? Let's say that we've got a codebase like the linux kernel, or opengl drivers. You know that somewhere you've got some stuff that talks to the hardware, but grep returns false positives. You instead pull the ast into memory, query across it for the bits your looking for. False positives now indicate something about the language (i.e., that I don't understand it as well as I though
gabriel_laddel: As for PGP, I'm assuming that I'm going to have to spend a decent amount of time with the codebase and reading the spec. Perhaps not.
mircea_popescu: the browser is not unlikely what'd have happened if the beduins had discovered dna alteration and there was no interstellar void.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: in any case, I hate everything about the browser.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: well, there is that too.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: the outputted JS is more comprehensible?
gabriel_laddel: modifying parenscript isn't terrible.
trinque: I've tried the clojure/clojurescript combo and was thrilled to be using the same language on both ends
gabriel_laddel: "As for what language I'll be using on any given project, it will be determined entirely by what is correct for the project."
mircea_popescu: right, i see what you're doing there.
gabriel_laddel: it, and nothing else will ever be a substitute for thought.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I have some code now that converts javascript to parenscript
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm assuming, at least for now, that I'm going to have to /look/ at the current PGP sources (thus the C sexprast ). This has no bearing on what will be released other than - I will do what makes sense given the situation.
asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell, unfortunately not for any reasons pertaining to ancient castles
asciilifeform: it is like suggesting an automated converter of reddit spew to interesting literature
asciilifeform: in that all the turdaliciousness remains in place
asciilifeform: automated rewrite is equivalent to original turd
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Yes. Show me all structures that look like this. Pattern match against structures, rewrite them as so.
asciilifeform: any other purpose i'm not the least bit interested in
mircea_popescu: let the wolves have it.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel his idea being i suspect that c code you wish to query over should just be quarried over yonder hill
asciilifeform: for the purpose of taking a flamethrower to it and replacing with something sane - grep + eyes has always sufficed
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: You've never desired to query over a bunch of gnarly C code?
mircea_popescu: then after a decade i come by and go... "why did she write this!"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel, et al: try to remember why all of these things need redoing in the first place
mircea_popescu: sometimes i fantasize about buying an old english castle, turning it into a computing school for nude 18 to 22 yo ladies, and putting alf in charge of it, with a flexible bamboo cane.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Sorry, I was being less than clear - this is only for development.
asciilifeform: what part of 'minimal' is so hard to understand?
asciilifeform: haskell package <<< pay someone to add a sexpr backend to it so I can work it into my CL toolchain ...
asciilifeform: 'clean' as in, i whip out a stick and point to a line, and you can tell my why it's there.
gabriel_laddel: As for what language I'll be using on any given project, it will be determined entirely by what is correct for the project. If I hack something out in CL, but switch it over to C, I'll do that. If it makes sense to release a protopye that is hacked together C+CL+CFFI I'll do that. In any case, both of these come after getting the #b-a distro finished.
gabriel_laddel: My current plan for dealing with these projects: The haskell package Language.C.AST parses C99 entirely, taking into account all GCC extensions. I'm going to pay someone to add a sexpr backend to it so I can work it into my CL toolchain.
assbot: Various implementations of the 'cat' command, for comparison. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A70iIK )
asciilifeform: and when i say 'c', i'm not talking about gnarly turdalicious gpg-style c
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can write cl without 'cons' but this is like english without letter 'e'
asciilifeform: but nowhere is it written that anyone must listen to this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cl can't do these ? :D
asciilifeform: so as to fit on ludicrously small embedded machinery
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: when i declared that it ought to be writte in c, i meant -entirely-
mircea_popescu: you mean to bridge ro and gossipd ?
gabriel_laddel: cffi to bridge the two if needed, but only then.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: gossipd requires C. PGP, CL (at least, this is where I'd start).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the guy says so lol. why else ?
asciilifeform has no idea why any of the discussed projects would require cffi
mircea_popescu: so total noob here, but. the way cffi works is you compile your c stuff as dynamic objects and then put the headers in your lisp program ? or what ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: thank you, this is what I wanted.
mircea_popescu: ie, the illegal residents of ww2 ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: not a theatre. the 'red orchestra'
assbot: CFFI - The Common Foreign Function Interface ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7FP3c )
mircea_popescu: do they mix ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i take this is going to be lisp, as in not scheme, not clojure, cl ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you had a alternate name for gossipd based on russian theater that had some relation to the nazis. I couldn't find the wiki article again, care to point me to it?
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo hey, remember that fish i told you about? hooked and landed it after a few days :)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'v M-x rembered (or something) the previous thread on the matter for when I return to it.
asciilifeform wishes to point out that a 'sane pgp' will not be pgp-compatible. because much of the insanity lies in the standard itself.
mircea_popescu: i wanna read the design documents for this.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: as for now, I just want to have a clear idea of what the interface is, what the problems are etc.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you seriously thinking of implementing a sane pgp ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i think we're in the mental institution. they're outside. cheaper this way, more of them.
asciilifeform: 'yes we reached the moon, who said we weren't talking about that one [points to moon painted on ceiling of mental institution]'
asciilifeform: now the next phase of moon-chair-stacking, that nix may or may not have yet entered, is to decide that the turd they have created and are doomed to dine on is in fact a sausage, and to lash out angrily at folks pointing out the actual facts
mircea_popescu: we know this to be true, because you can have mmorpgs.
mircea_popescu: in any case : the space of things physics has to represent is in point of fact narrower than the space of things computer programs have to represent.
mircea_popescu: yep, which is why i said tis not about you.
gabriel_laddel: " As far as I can tell, were one to extrapolate from the given information to a set of concrete requirements we see that NixOS plans to rewrite the build scripts for every version of every project on unix. Again, this is insane. The correct thing to do in this situation is to realize the utter impossibility of the task that has been set forth and re-evaluate one's approach.[1]" << [1] links to the quote previously d
mircea_popescu: so take up bobsleigh. better for your health.
thestringpuller: guess it's an american phenomenon. I find I hate driving in traffic. But lemme open up a sports car at 120-130 MPH somewhere "Top Gear" style and I have a blast.
asciilifeform: the 'nixos' thing is about the same kind, and degree, of contribution to culture as the soviet dogs with extra heads sewn on. with the difference that the latter still have the former beat in the purpose they're really fit for - chimeras to scare small children with
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: random: but I recall you said you don't like driving so you don't. You're driven. Do you ever "want" to drive in some ideal scenario? A racetrack or something?
mircea_popescu: odd how this works.