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ben_vulpes: what a time to be alive.
ben_vulpes goes to bed, asciilifeform goes to rebuild the universe.
asciilifeform: no telling, also, what -else- will die
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/VkgE27Pd << undoes the shitgnomism, but wtf should i have to rebuild glibc and -everything- to use a perfectly ordinary proggy ?
mircea_popescu: Ladies and gentlemen, seldom can it have been a greater pleasure and privilege than it is for me now to announce that the next observation gave me the great pleasure and privilege of observing that it is my great pleasure and privilege to live in the best possible world of all the worlds that are possible already.
asciilifeform: the present-day crop of college kidz will never live in anything other than a kommunalka
mircea_popescu: ah, good then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we mostly have this already
mircea_popescu: so, for instance, they are not allowed to take up residence in single occupant dwellings / family houses etc ?
mircea_popescu: hm... it occurs to me... wouldn't it be a good idea if all progressives were required to register themselves with the state ?
asciilifeform: (and yes, as far as i can tell, the recent glibc pant-shitting was -also- drepper)
ben_vulpes: is drepper the shitgnome or did drepper find the thing?
asciilifeform: and yes, it perma-breaks the gcc 4.1 that is built as part of the gnat bootstrap.
asciilifeform: ^ we found the shitgnome.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 3005.8877 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 671376.912891 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1582 seconds
thestringpuller: http://www.mtv.com/news/2069307/old-man-bald-haircut-bad-kids-children/ << i don't know why I think this is so funny.
asciilifeform: the way printed on the box
asciilifeform: decimation: just for gnat to build, from source, on my particular, unremarkable gentoo box
decimation: yeah I know you weren't, but I thought it was an interesting question
decimation: after all, a program that manages to boot the target and run an infinite loop is a basic os
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose that if one really wants an os written in ada that 'fits in head' - one should write it himself
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal they have been trying to trade for bitcoin with moderate success.
decimation: apparently there are varying levels of posix support in actual flight systems
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point
TheNewDeal: there's a company in the us called "amagi metals" and for some reason I thought that rang a bell
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he did silver. tu.silver
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'RTEMS' os https://devel.rtems.org/wiki/TBR/UserManual/RTEMSAda < supports ada, is open source, but is written in C
danielpbarron: and it was silver, not gold; unless he had another thing i'm not aware of
asciilifeform: considering -who- typically dies of EtOH overdose, consider comorbidities.
danielpbarron: heh i was just reading about that; it's at the start of the public logs
TheNewDeal: offhand, does anyone remember the name of usagi's gold company?
mircea_popescu: i wish to know these 100 people out of whom 50 died of .4% bac.
mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08%. And 50% of the time, .4% is death, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: so when i drink a liter of 52% moonshine over a night my liver takes out 50ml/hour while carefully keeping total blood alcohol under 30 least i die ?
mircea_popescu: for the sake of argument, 0.4% means 32 ml of alcohol in the 8 liters of blood ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: i tyhink it may be for feminist.
asciilifeform: is that value for man even
mircea_popescu: you need like... i dunno, 5% or so to fucking die of it.
mircea_popescu: in the Romania i grew up, being drunk BEGAN at .3
mircea_popescu: dude where the fuck do anglos pull their data from. 0.4% BAC = LD50 ?!
mircea_popescu: punkman lol the innocent ones. splendid.
decimation: the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars." ☟︎
decimation: the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road between Aachen and Brussels one saw ☟︎
assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - The state of Ada on Gentoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtGIb )
asciilifeform: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7633136.html?sid=1e44c177a5b76671206084811186d30e << on earlier thread
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt. <<< but you can throw some yogurt out of it! http://www.inquisitr.com/1839518/phd-student-creates-yoghurt-using-her-vagina/
punkman: I was making a case for "sentence all members of parliament to 30 years hard labor" yesterday at dinner, "but what of the innocent ones"
ben_vulpes: end of times and all that fun stuff.
ben_vulpes: wai wut? i thought bezzling was a good thing.
mircea_popescu: it's healthy, too. most usians could immensely benefit from more exercise, especially if nude under the nude sky.
mircea_popescu: sure. dig a yard of trench per dollar embezzled.
decimation: for thieves, embezzlers, etc it gives a good yardstick
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style' << Quality punitive torture can leave souveniers
decimation: but that's difficult to capture through a window
decimation: I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style'
asciilifeform: yeah this was described
mircea_popescu: torture people behind the glass, force highschoolers to visit yearly.
asciilifeform: of the hows and whys of public executions in europe from 800 or so ad to present
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno if i descreibed it or not, but i think so : the prison zoo.
asciilifeform highly recomments the historic tour 'seeing justice done' by p. friedland. one of the very few good works on the subject
decimation: for this reason the us should bring back hangings and should televise them live
mircea_popescu: it's quite ridoinculous what sort of compartimentalised nonsense they sprout. you'd flunk senior hs essays for this
mircea_popescu: including the non-mentally retarded.
mircea_popescu: they fail to consider that punishing the mentally retarded is a signal FOR EVERYONE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which incidentally is the missing point in the supreme court discussion of punishment quoted as it happens earlier
asciilifeform: not the same, but related, as a ladder is to a staircase
ben_vulpes: "disproportionate" is in there too.
asciilifeform: now that it came up, mircea_popescu did have a 'punishments' article that used something like that formula
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, of course, but the student must learn from something
asciilifeform: the test is, in my imagination, an exam given in real time, in the flesh
BingoBoingo: <decimation> have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ << Wild guess here, but would bet at the right odds, FreeBSD userland on Minix like microkernel
decimation: yeah, 'half a page of docs per line' is pretty much the same as your 'what does this line do?' test
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. and i can't say that i am interested in any future direction of 'c os' on 'c machines'
asciilifeform: but 'half a page of docs per line' is about what ought to be expected of 'therealbitcoin' when mature.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4025675/RTOS-dissatisfaction < "Safety-critical applications may need a certifiable OS. That's not one meant for an asylum, but one that can, for tolerable costs, be shown to conform to a standard like DO-178B. The costs are staggering; the certification process for one app I know of generated half a page of documentation per line of code."
mod6: ok. no problem. just trying to get it down to a spec
asciilifeform: mod6: i overlooked the std lib stuff, was satisfied with not seeing openssl, boost, bdb. but you are quite right, this is not a proper static elf
asciilifeform: punkman: zlib is only demanded by the retarded version of boost
mod6: i thought we didn't want to use shared libs? only static libs *.a's
assbot: Just how stupid is the Redditard crowd ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhshkC )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/just-how-stupid-is-the-redditard-crowd/ << one of the lulziest things on trilema.
asciilifeform: so everything but the std libs is statically linked in
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thestringpuller: jurov: PM me about how to go about renting aws instance.
mod6: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes might have the same problem with his, is there something he should be specifically looking for in the elf?
decimation: actually it would be interesting to know exactly what hardware is used in modern avionics
mod6: is it appropriate to do `make LMODE="static" LMODE2="static" -f makefile.unix bitcoind` instead?
asciilifeform: mod6: did check the elf
decimation: asciilifeform: there's also ARINC standard 653 if you want an RTOS along with your ada
mod6: asciilifeform: in your portotronic script, the line `make STATIC=1 -f makefile.unix bitcoind` ends up doing "-Wl,-Bstatic ... -Wl,-Bdynamic" when actually executed because of the bug in the makefile.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah there's much to like in this approach
asciilifeform: just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies.
TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell TomServo sorry I missed you last evening. Went out for some drinks and left my irc on. Will be back thursday evening
asciilifeform: (in traditional implementations)
asciilifeform: for instance, all error messages refer to a page in the rationale book
asciilifeform: there are interesting things to be learned from the ada approach, if you can pinch your nose and get past the 'ick factor'
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: you more or less have to present a smoking cratered cpu to make others believe in 'it was the hardware'
asciilifeform: situation today is that most folks would not even notice a promise broken by hardware