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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say.
try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
☟︎ nubbins`: danielpbarron FWIW
this is completely different from n2o buzz 8)
nubbins`: i know N2H used
to be common for
this purpose.
danielpbarron: maybe
there's something
to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
☟︎ PeterL: h2 would probly need a catalyst
to do anything
to your fat
mircea_popescu: yeah, good idea, mix K and C
that'll result in clarity :D
nubbins`: all
the whipped cream is probably using elemental hydrogen as a propellant,
then.
PeterL: room
temperature is much higher
than n2's critical point, but below
the critical point of n2o
mircea_popescu: you can have solid fucking hydrogen at room
temp if you push it hard enough
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly
this would be because... your subjective experience... is ...
PeterL: yeah,
that means at room
temperature you can have liquid n2o, but not liquid n2
nubbins`: also
the second
time i
took
the bait ;(
mircea_popescu: Adlai
they
totally did actually, if i recall my biographies correctly.
nubbins`: i
think
this is
the second
time mp
tried
to
tell me my subective experience was incorrect
Adlai: trivia: n2o and n2 were both isolated in
the same year, by different chemists. i hope
they had a shitfest over who had really isolated nitrogen before realizing
they were distinct compounds :D
nubbins`: nevermind
that you're literally rupturing
the canisters with a fuckin spike
nubbins`: totally, it's
the same cost
to make a vessel resistant
to
twice
the pressure. 8)
PeterL: not
temp, pressure is what is important here, I am looking it up, just give me a sec...
mircea_popescu: yeah, because
totally, pressure is unavailable industrially. nobody ever used 2x
the pressure
to save on 90%
the c ost.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, Adlai: in fact, you need 2x
the amount of pressure
to keep n2 liquid.
danielpbarron: we didn't drink
the stuff; we huffed it
through a rag
nubbins`: if you're slow, you get a
terrible,
terrible
taste in your mouth without any neat flames
Adlai: now let's
talk about how danielpbarron passed off diethyl ether as moonshine
PeterL: my guess is
that N2o is used because, like propane, it becomes liquid at reasonable pressures
Adlai: yeah but nubbins` seems set on convincing you, rather
than
trolling along...
Adlai: 3) mircea_popescu is
trolling nubbins`
mircea_popescu: nubbins` our options are, 1)
two buck a can items are made with
the cheapest possible
thing and 2)
two buck a can items are made with expensive medicine, because
there's a conspiracy
to keep kids entertained while
they can't legally as much as buy a drink.
nubbins`: (2) does sound like
the more reasonable one
nubbins`: so our options are: (1) n2o is actually n2o and
there's a reason why n2 won't cut it. or (2) all n2o is n2, without exception, and every single person who knows
this secret isn't
telling.
nubbins`: sounds like you've got
this conspiracy cracked wide open
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can we now move on
to
the wrestling dispute ?
nubbins`: so
the premium fuel i'm putting into my car is actually regular grade?
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah. i r physicist not chemist. and a
theoretical one at
that >D
mircea_popescu: not a single fmcg item is properly labeled if
the dispute is "get nubsy
to
think it's better
than it is"
PeterL: and I
think gas chromatogram is what you are looking for?
nubbins`: i'm not sure why you
think
there's an industry-wide conspiracy and
that all whipped cream canisters are intentionally mislabelled?
mircea_popescu: (kinda why co2 is used in "beverages" - acidity
there's a plus)
nubbins`: i'm no chemist, but maybe if we asked someone qualified,
they'd be able
to give an actual answer
Adlai: related: you want
to sell roses in gas stations. q: why would you add a useless hole
to your vase? a: because you don't actually want
to sell roses, you're selling crack pipes.
mircea_popescu: notice 02 wasn't
there. it's obvious why not : fucking expensive. because reactive.
nubbins`: "it produces whipped cream four
times
the volume of
the liquid, whereas whipping air into cream only produces
twice
the volume. If air were used as a propellant, oxygen would accelerate rancidification of
the butterfat; nitrous oxide inhibits such degradation. Carbon dioxide cannot be used for whipped cream because it is acidic in water, which would curdle
the cream and give it a seltzer-like "sparkling" sensation."
mircea_popescu: so
then who
thefuck would use anything but either co2 or n2, ie, atmospheric gases.
Adlai wonders whether anybody bothered
to read william james's gassy babblings.
tl;dr: "There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and
this would not work
the same with any other gas.
PeterL: I just don't understand how
the world works?
nubbins`: foaming ("whipping") it in
the process
nubbins`: the n2o releases itself from
the cream
nubbins`: when
this is released into
the atmosphere
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish
to visit
the industrial plants artists would make
to support
their independent nation
nubbins`: if
the container is pressurized,
the n2o will dissolve into
the cream.
PeterL: it needs
to be non-soluble
to make
the bubbles
nubbins`: add heavy cream
to a canister.
nubbins`: well
the fat solubility is what whips
the cream.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, co2 is not bread soluble either, works just fine
to leaven bread.
mircea_popescu: kinda why druggies
try
to steal from hospitals rather
than police stations or courthouses.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, all hospitals also have morphine on
tap.
nubbins`: unless
they buy n2o cartridges from
the restaurant supply store.
nubbins`: most dentist's offices have n2o on
tap.
mircea_popescu: also regulated, amoing other
things,
to not be dispensed otc /
to unlicensed physicians ?
Adlai: and yes, if you buy a
tank of nitrous oxide, and you don't check what grade it is, you will get sulfur dioxide (or worse) impurities
Adlai: fwiw,
there's "automotive-grade" and "food-grade" nitrous.
the latter is (supposedly) regulated
to contain nitrous and not whatever else is cheaper.
nubbins`: well, it depends. what do i want
to use it for?
mircea_popescu: do you buy
the expensive and license-requiring n2o, or
the cheap atmospheric gas ?
nubbins`: ok, let's
take Air Liquide for an example
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im more
talking
the industrial side of
things here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu while co2 canisters are popular,
they're a different size and generally used for paintball/bb guns
danielpbarron: as a
teenager i impressed some friends with
that little
trick: buy some starter fluid, mix with water in garbage bag, wait for it
to settle, drain out
the impurities
Adlai: now
THAT is impressive willpower
nubbins`: <--has also held breath
til unconsciousness (!)
Adlai: i'm sorry, but if you can't distinguish o2 deprivation from n2o intoxication,
then you've never intoxicated on n2o.
nubbins`: the
trip lasts almost precisely as long as you can hold your breath.
Adlai: how on earth (the planet with an atmosphere full of nitrogen) would nitrogen gas get you anything other
than sober / oxygen deprived
danielpbarron: there was a guy with a nitrous
tank at porcfest with a group of zombies crowded around it
Adlai: skip
the cannisters, buy
the
tank
nubbins`: skip
the cream, buy
the canisters.