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decimation: asciilifeform: the concept of a closed design chip is dead forever too
asciilifeform: decimation: corpses don't get to decide what to be eaten by, ants, vultures, cannibals
BingoBoingo: Shame the solaris 10 with the SMF turd introduced was the only "open" one and likely inspired so many systemdevaintisms
decimation: asciilifeform: also, the 'spiritual heir' of solaris is maintained by those 'joyent' people
asciilifeform: while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever - as far as thinking folks are concerned
decimation: although the rumor I heard back then was that most of the 'smart guys' working on solaris were spending their working days trying to unravel the gordian knot of kernel locks
decimation: "asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen" << I see the appeal of actual people maintaining a unix, closed or open
BingoBoingo: More RAM makes Electrum server more feasile. Not to run the server for the wallet mind you, but because of the queryable database of blockchain data.
asciilifeform: (just picked this number more or less arbitrarily)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you need to do with the blockchain that can't be done 1G at a time ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: realize, if you get off modern turdware (incl. graphical www), you almost certainly don't need so much as 1GB for anything
BingoBoingo: Thankfully other Unixen work on the boxes
asciilifeform: but because forced to on account of working for usg or having to use some likewise closed turdware (usually also because, ultimately, usg)
asciilifeform: the folks running ancient closed-source unixen today do so 'not from a good life'
BingoBoingo: Connects on campus have yet to send the flag and since on every visit lab still intact I assume they aren't slacking
BingoBoingo: Don't know if they ever will
BingoBoingo: I'm waiting for them to hit the dumpster
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the best way to get something like this is to be there when folks are throwing them out by the tonne
BingoBoingo: WHat lab is full of http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-60-Workstation-2x-450MHz-2GB-RAM-73GB-HD-/380274164694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588a1b43d6 << Not same price as Ultra 80 which is twice the processors of this one
BingoBoingo: That lab "engineering building Floor one at SIU Carbondale, forget which wing" still solaris lab. I like the hardware though for "lives forever" and other unixen run fine
asciilifeform doesn't see the appeal of closed source unixen, no matter how he tries
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One Uni I attended at last visit earlier this year still has lab full of its wimpier contemporary
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my uni threw out pallets of these
BingoBoingo: Even Beastmode looks like it comes to under $500 with shipping http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-Ultra-80-Server-Quad-450MHz-4GB-Memory-73GB-HD-/380342615233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588e2fbcc1
asciilifeform: 'QUESTION: Are you insane? Are you stupid? No one would ever pay this much for a laptop! You should sell it to me for $10 because it is so old and worthless. / ANSWER: Contrary to your opinion, I sell several of these machines per week. These machines are used for many reasons including: / Government & Military projects ...'
asciilifeform: mega-lol in the 'faq' on that listing ^
asciilifeform: you can get any lisp machine ever made, for example, with a crate of parts to last you a lifetime, for half of this
assbot: Tadpole RDI General Dynamics Ultrabookiii UltraSPARC Solaris Unix Laptop | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR0ETZ )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's a 'not whether death, but when' sorta thing
BingoBoingo sad Tadpole laptops still sell for effectively $maxint
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: regardless of what else, the unbounded data structure has to go
ben_vulpes: 'tis another knob to turn. if instead of rewriting the bastard storage mechanism, one could leverage the network protocol to reduce the number of bastards per wad sent over the wire, it might alleviate some pain.
ben_vulpes: re: bastards, has anyone experimented with the number of blocks requested?
Adlai: remember, my "server" is a thinkpad ca 2002, so every cons counts
ben_vulpes: Adlai: what's the goal of running multiple bots in the same lisp image?
decimation: yeah that's what I figured
asciilifeform: gotta solder them or use a properly fitted clip like in the photo
BingoBoingo: So OpenBSD 0.7.2 qt build 17 hours without an OOM kill (returned to 512MB process limit a while back) Presently a June 15th, 2013. Seems the space for bastards to be introduced has shrank enough to make bastards moar manageable.
decimation: I wonder if there's like a little mini-clamp that you can affix to a pin
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think the best method would be to semi-permanently attach a lead to an smt chip pin? I tend to ruin the pad by soldering
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it << PC9000 largely valued because drive plugs in to IDE or SATA ports in this ISA/(hopefully there's a PCI version by now) card. Boot to card. Diddle at leisure with curses interface. Most operations automated already.
decimation: I would like to get a collection of 'chip clips'
asciilifeform: ^ useful household tool, everyone should own
asciilifeform: with one of these:
asciilifeform: decimation: generally no one does this. folks read the asm straight
decimation: there are many ways to map machine code to assembly to pseudo-c
asciilifeform: earlier today someone reposted the famous (~2yr.) link of demo where linux is installed on the head controller
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: connect a ttl-to-serial voltage converter to the convenient debug pins, and have at it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller << Once again PC9000. Russian product that basically lets anyone who can understand the interface su all over the hdd firmware.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not even the theoretical basis for contemplating such a thing, presently exists.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless you know something i don't, they're $maxint years out
decimation: hell I bet some of them have a flash chip sitting there
asciilifeform: granted, some of the drives had weird variations on the usual themes (say, dual mips cores with oodles of proprietary coprocessor regs)
decimation: asciilifeform: it's impossible to analyze the rom contents of a simple microcontroller
BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out?
asciilifeform: who needs the source?
asciilifeform: 'It is not clear how the NSA may have obtained the hard drives' source code.' << wtf
asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute
decimation: in a similar way that allowing the user to enter their own cryptography via a separate front panel would be wrong
decimation: of course, the drive manufacturers couldn't put a switch or toggle on the front of the computer
asciilifeform: without even having to contemplate opening the chassis, in which, as is known, daemons live
asciilifeform: updatable via the bus for the same reason as everything else: so lusers can update from winblows
asciilifeform: if these produce statistical anomalies (distinguishable from white noise) as rc4 is known to, this'd be a good avenue to search for 'mouse droppings' in the wild.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No particular reason. Makes Data recovery stuff easier with PC9000. Also creates a market for that kind of data recovery when firmware makes drive shit the bed.
asciilifeform: it is done, like the 'anal child' in mircea_popescu's essay, 'because they can get away with it'
asciilifeform: i can see no legit reason to ship a drive with buggy firmware.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is the reason why it should not be a mask rom ?
asciilifeform: if there exists, somewhere, a maker of drives which demand signatures - usg is the first to get a copy of the key, to no one's great surprise
BingoBoingo: Reflashing firmware is one of those things that should require a goat sacrifice. Fort Mead would smell better.
asciilifeform: anyone who has ring0 on the box and can send raw ata cmds. can flash.
asciilifeform: of the handful of vendors whose drives i have studied personally, not one used a signature scheme of any kind, for example
asciilifeform: (and yes, virtually all extant hdds are trivially reflashable.)
asciilifeform: it'll be in every ring0 turd on the planet before the year's out, possibly.
asciilifeform: (by remaining winblows users, that is)
asciilifeform: and now that the multivendor diddlomatic is out, winblows users will get what they so persistently beg for
mircea_popescu: i still don't see the wisdom of allowing diddling of firmware via data bus.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 04:50:24; asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf << the document concerning specific doctored firmware
asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but with naked rather than flaming woman in tow.
mircea_popescu: i actually walked by there, in the middle of teh night maybe a month or two ago ?
decimation: the plaza of the women?
decimation: well, at any rate I give the netagio people credit - they unwound in an orderly way when the business wasn't working out
decimation: 'maybe people outside hungary will use this new trade coin'
decimation: but this very parochialism is why bitcoin ought to be attractive
mircea_popescu: at least if you mean "most of the people makin > 250k and living in a big city"
decimation: I thought that most germans and french spoke english at least
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense that they simply do not know what happens if it wasn't written in hungarian
mircea_popescu: tbh, that 67/27/2.5/0.25 thing pretty much exactly matches the map of real gdp
decimation: 'monolinguistic' in the sense that their opinion was fixed by harvard ca. 1945?
decimation: the goldmoney people (who invested in netagio) seem to know what they are doing
mircea_popescu: with the added disadvantage that they speak obscure languages
mircea_popescu: mostly the result of shitty regulation environment and uk people being idiots.
decimation: if those numbers are correct, I wonder why europe is so low?
decimation: " Market share of Bitcoin trading globally continues to mirror Bitcoin adoption stages, with China leading the way with 67%, the US capturing 27% of all Bitcoin trading, the EU following with 2.5% and the UK with a stagnating 0.25%, mostly as a result of a lack of regulatory guidelines and UK banks withdrawing banking support from British Bitcoin businesses."
decimation: that netagio closing is amusing. I wonder what the real story behind it is
Adlai: last time i tried this, with a financier watching over my shoulder, his bot trod on mine, and after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, both irrevocably crashed... that was nearly 5 months ago. now it's working flawlessly :D
Adlai is too busy doing the victory dance to look this up... he now has two scalpls running in the same lisp image and they're not stepping on eachother's toes
BingoBoingo: Adlai: is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!? << PC9000
mike_c: It certainly would tie in with qntra.
mike_c: If you want a bunch of people to contribute, the wiki is there. If you basically want to do it yourself, then sure, put it wherever.