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asciilifeform: was 3 in barrett's original proof. but with doublewide c, looks like only 1 ? ( though i do not yet have a proof for this )
apeloyee: so was I
asciilifeform: i was discussing a 'shiftless' doublewide barrett
asciilifeform: as i understand will be quite exactly it.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: it won't differ at all, once i have working shifter using your scheme.
apeloyee: btw, i'd like to know the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721304 ☝︎
trinque: when I get around to it sure
apeloyee: no thinking that i can think of.
trinque: yes, and I barfed the key out of same gpg to put it on the wot site
apeloyee: I did up myself once, and it worked
mircea_popescu: i'm just being a pain.
asciilifeform: and i suspect that he is right that it would beat doublewide-x variant.
asciilifeform: is what i described above neh
apeloyee: I assumed the elementary shift doesn't leak. whatever, just do the sub-word shifts with the same algorithm (with word size 1)
apeloyee: I do log2(bitness/wordsize) shifts
asciilifeform: hm i think i finally see what algo apeloyee was trying to implement ( the pseudocode doesn't actually do it )
apeloyee: i'm all out of gas mask cans! HOW does a FIXED shift leak?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-21 16:22 asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee i studied your algo, it (aside from truly massive cost, that would annihilate savings from newton, or barrett, or just about any other trick) ~still leaks~, because shifting by >wordsize is a fundamentally different op from shifting <wordsize; and the only way for this to not be true is for all shifts to happen as a series of wordsize shifts; and a shift by ffawidth-1 (max shiftness) would then consist of ffawor
apeloyee: the operations themselves leak anyway. i thought they shouldn't leak operands?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: okay, i see it.
mircea_popescu: why can't i grep "hurr" over a cat #trilema bots ?
ben_vulpes: and what, a machine-understandable description of what each extra-spec command does? i didn't think anyone here operated machines that /thought/.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. what should ?
mircea_popescu: but practice aside, shouldn't i have the ability to query a bank of seated whores, "what can you do ?"
ben_vulpes: i am struggling to see the case of ever. someone programming against bots should read the help themselves and implement the api described.
asciilifeform: i'ma stop trying to talk in 2 terminals nao, brb
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-5#216206 << i have acquired a few afk crises which have eaten a bunch of time since the move.
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721060 << c := 2^4096 / p; i thought you only have integer division? ☝︎
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-5#216182 << pls to update http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/ , i forgot this log-spec-addenda; will implement.
apeloyee: I did register with nickserv, and identified to it just recently
asciilifeform: i'ma leave this as exercise, and if it stays unobvious, demonstrate laters.
asciilifeform: as in, i get to , e.g., r = x mod ( a - b ) for some a, b
mircea_popescu: i had nfi 2+x modulo 7.5 is even defined.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'holes' in arithmetic suck, because they are inescapably branch conditionals. if i could not prove that div0 is impossible in the course of, e.g., modexp intermediate steps, ffa would be a wholly impossible thing.
asciilifeform: ( i actually did consider, 'special case for x = 1 ' but now you've broken the constanttimealwaysandforeverness )
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721061 suggests that i'ma have to go back to the old karatsubatron, which did not insist on powers-of-two bitnesses ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun think customs monkeys get terminals << Menial USG employment implies terminal for fucking off
asciilifeform: then allbetsareoff and i've nfi
asciilifeform: i dun think customs monkeys get terminals
cruciform: asciilifeform: I had 2 delivered
mircea_popescu: i guess so
asciilifeform: i suspect that packages from amazon, etc. tend to get left alone.
asciilifeform: i refreshed archive.is of all the major pages 2-3 day before dulap went ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:36 mike_c: i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: mike_c was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <mike_c> congrats! I did that a long time ago too. Good luck with it.
mircea_popescu: if that means she'd at least put some fucking doing into the fucking, i'm all for it.
mircea_popescu: he said something about a new job or moving or something, i'm foggy on details.
trinque: I'm in the position to boop a qr code on an airgap machine for the signed tx
asciilifeform: i posted it in case meteorite falls on asciilifeform some time in next wk.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721065 << i oughta expand on this step : first we do r := x - q*m ; then it needs from 0 to 3 further subtractions of m ( we do this muxically . ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not complaining.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did conjecture that you can skip normalization if you widen the register.
asciilifeform: as for gains, i dun know for sure yet, because i gotta manually implement the asymmetric karatsubaization for the above
mircea_popescu: i don't think it can be put into words, how much of the whole "poor people need help" the pay-for-your-tits disabused in my mind.
shinohai: If I made that offer on some South-American camslut site, it wouldn't last a week.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect they can fly in this. eagle isn't a swallow.
mircea_popescu: the avian biodiversidad is pretty fucking sad looking, i'll tell you that.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "after graduation i plan to spend a year in africa doing charity work" news, http://i.4cdn.org/hc/1501923521316.jpg
mircea_popescu: I THINK REBOUND IMMINENT!
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure
BingoBoingo: I wonder how pissed average USian would be if they learned large chunks of the world gets 6%+ economic growth sustained over decades
mircea_popescu: but i'll lol, which is comparatively the larger part anyway.
mircea_popescu: all the fucktards going around wikipediaing for the past decade won't chase me around so i step on their worthless bodies instead of the pavement, of course.
asciilifeform: trinque: to this day i have nfi why portage weighs what it weighs, or what most of the liquishit does
mircea_popescu: the high level "fuck you, i own this world and everything in it and you will either adapt or fucking die, bitch" is... not really accessible, mentally, to kids with college degrees.
trinque: I began reading portage source sometime last year, barfed
asciilifeform: trinque: that's what i meant by 'cuntoo'
mod6: yeah, i think emerge a trb would be the ticket, no?
asciilifeform: 'gimme a c compiler and i will move the earth' is the notion.
mod6: i see ya ya
mod6: oh,.. i see what you might be getting at. buildroot doesn't come with it because yadda yadda, no kernel needs that to unroll.
mod6: i don't think that because they used to bundle up the kernel as a bzip2 that means that average orc-os wouldn't have that tool set in the default userland,.
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care about the extra... what is it, mb ? i got a 200gb blockchain ffs.
mod6: oh for them? yeah, i dunno.
mod6: am I missing something?
mod6: i dunno. for whatever reason her OS didn't have those tools ahead of time.
mod6: I believe the package that is required is 'bzip2'.
shinohai: I read this as "US Forces attacked by Niggers" http://archive.is/CTtID
asciilifeform: incidentally if you dun let randos twiddler yer address lines ( i.e. run ffaically ) you dun get hammered.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/a-better-man-than-i/ << Trilema - A better man than I ?
hanbot: 3rd time this week, 5th week in a row, if i'm not mashing ctrl s in my sleep yet i'm sure it's coming.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/i-ate-some-pie/ << Trilema - I ate some pie
diana_coman: I don't recall that at the offline build either; still, this time I tried the online build and...
asciilifeform: i don't recall any such thing
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG panzers! does anybody in l1 want a sage probe ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 ) for anything, and dun have one yet ? i bought one from the d00d in the comments to my orig. article, for next-to-nothing . if any of you lot want it, it's yours for cost of postage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i strive for variety.
asciilifeform: mouse did not, i suspect, devote rest of his days to smashing glass wherever found.
asciilifeform: i picture that it means 'illiterate luser, unable to so much as change a tyre'
asciilifeform: i dun see how odds enter into it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's all part of the http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
mircea_popescu: i've no idea, i never worked on a nuclear bomb.
asciilifeform: i dare say not true in 20, considering that saharov-style compressive flux generator ( i.e. linear dynamo powered by trotyl ) can almost certainly substitute for those 20ton-equiv of pu
mircea_popescu: i suspect the limit is technological not physical.
mircea_popescu: to revisit slightly upstack, the reason i even mentioned gothamgal is this classic piece from 2015 : http://gothamgal.com/2015/07/recapping-a-round/
BingoBoingo: "Hun Sen in his speech also lashed out at the supposed hypocrisy of the international community, which he maligned for having previously recognised at the UN the murderous Khmer Rouge – to which he once belonged – only to condemn him now for the arrest of a purported traitor. “I only enforce the existing law,” the premier said. "Why can I not [punish treason]? I don’t do it for my own life, but for the happiness of the whole co
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, i guess matter of taste. too much of that barbara streisand inbred look to her for me.
asciilifeform: i'll ftr disagree re the ugly
mircea_popescu: sadly i dun have a consistent unicorn farm.
mircea_popescu: might as well ask me if i can re-annimate hilary's worn pantsuit.
asciilifeform: i thought those were still formattable