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assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does
as instructed.
artifexd: asciilifeform: That is my desire
as well
artifexd: Sign whatever you want.
As long
as the timestamp is recent.
artifexd:
As a currently running gossipd, if I get a connection request with "I'm bob. Here's proof", then I accept the connection and add that ip address to my list for that key. (For later connecting to him)
mircea_popescu: artifexd this could also work,
as a handshakey sort of thing, sure.
mircea_popescu: since we're fixing ircd, might
as well actually do it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a subplot i dun wanna enter into now - this is complex enough
as it is - but suffice to say i am persuaded such situations are thermodynamiocally bound to narrow timespaces.
artifexd: How many connections to other servers do you imagine that you will have? You
as in you mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu:
as far
as it's in the form "either you or A X" the only answer is "i don't care."
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how speech has functioned, since the dawn of time, to create what is known
as the free world.
mircea_popescu: artifexd suppose you don't reg your name, and someone comes in
as artifexd and says things. should you be forced somehow to say if this is the case or not ?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing
as "sign for friends" outside of the model detailed in my spec.
artifexd: The system would, without your interference, label the things I say and the things your artifex say
as said by seperate entities.
artifexd: Nothing I,
as artifexd with my key, say will ever show up
as said by the same entity
as whatever you say with your artifex key.
mircea_popescu: if i get a fake key of you and sign it... it's good
as far
as the computer is concerned.
artifexd: That's why the fingerprint and the alias, right? Let the computer notice that the numbers don't match the the numbers that I identify
as mircea.
mircea_popescu: artifexd this prevention is guaranteed by design
as is.
artifexd:
As you have preached in the past, the identity built over time, secured by wot, has value.
artifexd: I mean
as in trust the message
artifexd: Trust in this case means that,
as asciilifeform said, bob(today) is bob(next month)
artifexd: Trust doesn't mean that I take bob's word
as gospel.
artifexd: Actually,
as fast
as I type single second resolution timestamps would be enough.
mircea_popescu: exactly like indicated. will exists for
as long
as the hand lives to enforce it
mircea_popescu: present wot would benefit immensely from some dead hand cleanning
as it is.
mircea_popescu: but for
as long
as anyone gives a shit, they'll be there.
mircea_popescu: very theoretical possibility,
as "the last words" are hard to fake online.
mircea_popescu: it's
as good
as current thing, except better cuz signed.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch
as my old wot is still signed with my old key, and you have a copy
mircea_popescu: moreover, i wish to take this opportunity and link the important point of the "unsheathe your sword". inasmuch
as people proceed on the "user objectively exists" and then try to "create anonimity" the unavoidable result is "anonimity is hard lolz".
artifexd: There is not. I took that
as an oversight.
mircea_popescu: each server maintains his wot ratings, and theyt are sent out
as part of hello procedure
mircea_popescu: the current implementation favours what is fundamewntally an erroneous view of thew wot
as "one thing". it is not one thing.
mircea_popescu: the messages should be kept around for a short interval (hour ?) while the user can retain them
as long
as he wants.
mircea_popescu: but it's for
as in, "i am doing in the name of x, ie, for x"
artifexd: Fountain codes, insomuch
as I don't understand them, complicate the design. Padding the the structure that gets encrypted doesn't.
artifexd:
As far
as traffic analysis goes,
as long
as all of the transmissions are opaque noise (because they are encrypted) and are of constant size, analysis is impossible.
kakobrekla: >
As you well observe, this thing is in fact Bitcoin without the shared public ledger (kept instead
as a virtual private ledger by each node).
mircea_popescu: such
as, in medieval times punishment lists were put out in the marketplace.
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's supposed to replace ircd
as a secure, fast and reliable means to communicate directly with others.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it's
as good
as the argument that "my horse doesn't need to eat"
mircea_popescu: otherwise, miner farms are actually pretty stretched
as it is, financially.
mircea_popescu: jurov that 99% figure is mostly a joke. look at the exchanges
as they are, think what even a 50k wall would do at say 30 usd per. how exactly are thjose 99% of miners going to finance operations for a week when their block reward is worth ~750 bux ?
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla,
as in you doubt the outcome will be in favour of b-a ?
punkman: "There will not be another release cycle after Atheme 7.2. We encourage the community to fork Atheme and choose the most suitable forks to drive IRC forward. To this end, we will maintain Atheme 7.2
as a suitable base for forking until October 31, 2015, with all services terminating on October 31, 2016."
mircea_popescu: punkman forward secrecy is a one on one affair, mostly. the salt is supposed to implement
as much
as it's possible, and the lack of signatures.
rithm: 7000 would be more in line
as a "standard" irc port with security
mircea_popescu: well no, switching doesn't. but mining in the dead chain takes
as many resources
as you're willing to throw at it.
mircea_popescu: for
as long
as there's one miner that doesn't, however...
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla>
as far
as i understand sibert now runs paper fund << kinda my understanding
as well. but hey, if his customers are happy with it...
kakobrekla:
as far
as i understand sibert now runs paper fund
Apocalyptic: they will be resupplied
as long
as derps have money I fear
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gay men have for one thing five to ten times
as many legit other gay men to meet, and looser dudes make up "men going alone" clubs instead of deciding they're now gay and the gay community must turn itself into mcdonalds to accomodate them.