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mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want
those guys back" as it is "i want
the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive
than any other
thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
☟︎☟︎ jurov: well, i know some
too. very few of
them improved so much
that
they would be able
to implement bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i happen
to know
the guys and what
they did, exhaustively and personally.
jurov: lol you idealize it.
they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto
mircea_popescu: a large portion of
the insecurity
today is due
to
the fact
that people like poettering CAN be involved.
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mircea_popescu: not exactly. but
to reconstruct
the universe of people who made and played
those, and
their
thoughts and ideas.
jurov: or you seriously propose homebrew ICs just
to be able
to play 8bit stuff again?
jurov: as long as you made no
transactions involving wires or floppies,
then yes.
nubbins`: was actually wondering if a specific
thing'd come up
nubbins`: ;;google "death comes quick for
these
types"
mircea_popescu: i merely wish
to point out
that i had better games on
the z80
than on
the ipad.
jurov: z80 is closer
to
teletype
than
to any modern cpu
mircea_popescu: but regardless,
that's not how death comes
to it. death comes
to it like bitcoin came
to
the usd : first, it's a
toy.
jurov: there is.
teletype and such
kakobrekla: you actually dont have
to go
that far. for me 100years + is pretty much as good as infinite, as i dont expect
to see it
jurov: when
there's a restaurant 1000x faster?
kakobrekla: x arbitrary
time < not when x approaches infinite
jurov: so
they'll use only because
they can cook it at home?
mircea_popescu: if
the only way
to make a secure signature is
to
take a day
to do it, heck, you'll
take a day.
mircea_popescu: this is false : when
there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: jurov
this discussion is along
the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if
transactions
take > x arbitrary
time"
jurov: let's say it
takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps
jurov: how long it
takes a z80
to make or verify ECDSA signature?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but
to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at
the customary densities << you're right
that it's
the wrong
thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.
mircea_popescu: holy shit
trilema was discussing
the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by
the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all
the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."
jurov: !up
thestringpuller
jurov: what
to do when said guy wants
to keep said spider as pet?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: safe and secure in
the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.
PeterL: I gave it
to her/him/zhim,
the
thing was hers/his/???
danielpbarron: that's why dog owners always bring plastic baggies; for
treat collection
PeterL: her can be equivalent
to him or his, because English is not a very systematic language
PeterL: "she was walking her dog down street, gave her a
treat", "he was walking down
the street with his dog, gave him a
treat"
danielpbarron: "Zhe was walking zher dog down
the street and
then gave zhim a
treat." << couldn't it be "Zhe was walking zher dog .. and gave zher a
treat" ?
danielpbarron: in an attempt
to grok
this, i read
the sentence so many
times even
the word 'her' doesn't look right
PeterL: myself, I sometimes use
the pronoun "e" in place of he/she
PeterL: I seem
to remember in middle English
they used something like "hir" for both genders?
danielpbarron: adding a 'z'
to a word doesn't magically
transform it into a gender neutral
term any more
than adding a cape
to a retard magically enables him, excuse me, zhim
to fly
nubbins`: oprah is more
trusted
than almost anyone else alive, doesn't mean i'm gonna
take her advice 8)
nubbins`: thestringpuller "trusted" is a relative
term, yo!
danielpbarron: ok what is
the point of "zher" and "zhim" ?? aren't
these still gender specific??
thestringpuller: nubbins`: MP is more
trusted
than all random forum muppets and Gavin combined. Like parent
to child, "I don't have
to explain myself
to you."
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nubbins`: "The
thing is, I don't
think
there will ever be mass adoption of
the system as it exist
today.
The 'average Joe' will be using some payment processor and not
the blockchain directly. So
the blockchain will have
transactions from payment processors and early adopters/enthusiasts.
The rest will be in closed systems and/or side chains
that can solve a lot of
the volume issues."
nubbins`: being forthright in
this manner would help his cause significantly
nubbins`: maybe if you just come
to
the community and openly admit you spent 10k btc on cocaine
nubbins`: all
this "perhaps if we are just open about our abject failures as humans" stuff
nubbins`: i fucking hate
this pseudo-intellectual style of writing
danielpbarron: "Thanks.
This is very enlightening and reveals
the
true motivations behind Mircea Popescu objections. He has made an investment in up
to 10k nodes
that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes
through his hard fork. Why doesn't he honestly bring
to
the community
these concerns as one of his principle motivations so we can
try and find a solution
together?
The fact
that he is not being forthright with
this concern is
troubling
to sa
danielpbarron: "What is sad is
that
they are supposedly scrambling
to setup 10k nodes
to prevent
this hardfork when all
they will succeed if
they aren't bluffing is an alt with 10k nodes and less
than 1-2% hashing power. Hopefully
they have some developers on hand
to quickly change
the difficulty retarget limit so
they have a usable , albeit very insecure alt."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno
that
they are awake yet
danielpbarron: actually
that's not
the guy; hdbuck might be an ally
nubbins`: you should plan for sucking Hitler's knob in
the event
that
the Nazis win WW2.
danielpbarron: according
the
the forum's wisdom, we should have used a unit
that can be upgraded
to support 20MB blocks
nubbins`: "millions? b'y,
there's
THOUSANDS of em out
there"
nubbins`: "wow,
there must be millions of cod in
those waters"
nubbins`: danielpbarron here, in
times past, "thousands" was used as an immeasurable
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kinda speaks
to
the need for a disposable btc addr you can use
to get yourself !up
danielpbarron: reminds me of classic chinese in which "ten
thousand" was used
to mean "infinity"
danielpbarron: nubbins`, you set off a mythology about
the pogo; some guy on
the forum keeps
telling everyone about
the "ten
thousand nodes"
that MP is gonna use
to stop
the fork
nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe
that's
the exuberance
kakobrekla: actually
that is quite an achievement for
the pos bcore and rpi are
nubbins`: kinda
tempted
to buy like a hundred
nubbins`: this pogo
thing is gonna make
tsunamis
nubbins`: there was a
thread on reddit
the other day
nubbins`: in fairness,
the same dollar amount is worth less each
time you buy one 8)
danielpbarron: well if
they aren't reporting a greater version
then
they might as well not be using it (the version is used
to decide with
the fork, hard or soft, happens)
kakobrekla: but version number just
tells you
the version number
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: My keys are airgapped, as in I am physically separated from access cause I don't have something secure
to shuttle
them en-mobile. I.e. cardano....
danielpbarron: btw, no blocks mined using version > 2 in
the last 12 hours or so
jurov: !up
thestringpuller
nubbins`: *i'm* suggesting we seed a blockchain
torrent 8)