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mircea_popescu: and especially as reinforced via wot/trilema voiuce model, i expect this may endure.
mircea_popescu: i have not yet got spam pgpgram. 0.
mircea_popescu: i may opt to include a pubkey. but i don't have to.
mircea_popescu: well, in this scenario i am anon
mircea_popescu: asym key is specifically for this usecase. you--well known publisher ; me -- secret identity with the goods. i can safely send them to you.
asciilifeform: i had nfi!
mircea_popescu: did we do ? i'd have expected we had but log doth not return
diana_coman: I get that, yes; it's anyway more than there currently is available otherwise; and not insignificantly more at that
asciilifeform: all i got is a guarantee that the arithmetic happens as specified, every time, using a number of cycles known in advance.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I thought you were aiming for "what-we-want" rather than merely "usable-for-lack-of-what-we-actually-want"
asciilifeform: incidentally ~95% of the work ffa does in modexp, now, is multiplication. which means that there is further 20-25% speedup waiting to be had when i get bernsteinian optimization for karatsuba ( haven't yet figured it out, he buried it deep in a paper , as if he were an alchemist, quite cryptically ) and another 10-20% optimization if we move to unrolled comba ( see august thread. )
mircea_popescu: i dunno, so far i just got it.
asciilifeform: ( barrett with 8192b barretoids, i.e. 16384bit mult via ordinary symmetric karatsuba with simple brutal slice , rather than apeloyee's shift )
mircea_popescu: and in other random dribbles : i was going by teh sabana park (huge park here), noticed they had cut down some rainbow eucaliptus trees. so i had car stopped and... got a chunk for the trunk.
mircea_popescu: i think they eat up almost a gb of trilema
phf`: mircea_popescu: if you're implying that my plan for colo was to ~hire~ people ~from~ colocation facility to do a sensitive operation like hard drive replacement, then i can't even! :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol because i totally need 1gbps to talk to the rest of the pinoys or w/e"
phf`: i suspect that with proper infra we can overnight whatever we want. but a proper infra in this case might just be a corporation in russia, a corporation in u.s., a business account with fedhl, etc.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect overnighting is the point. what's the point is that there's little difference between a colo you email to and run of the mill "dedicated servers" hosting.
phf`: i've no idea where that straw man came from. shipping things from u.s. to russia is tricky, but everything else is inherent in the problem. a ~colo~ in russia only makes sense if i also can somehow facilitate trusted upkeep. whether or not we can overnight a hard drive isn't going to make a difference in that case
mircea_popescu: if i wanted that i could have it for the same coupla hundy or w/e. heck, apparently they'd even do it for free if we don't make fun of them for it.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, this "your raid needs new hdds hurr" thing is not flying. i don't need to "hire" a "colo" for them to re-do the whole cherryservers bs for me, now do i.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it's wash dc specifically, or alf specifically.
mircea_popescu: phf` except we ship boxes, as i understood the design, not for them to stick hands in our parts.
mircea_popescu: i don't even care, sure, if they have their own state courier they're trying to prop up in this way, more power to them, we'll use it.
mircea_popescu: phf` i am speculating. but there must be a way to get machiens there for it to work.
phf`: well, we're speculating right now, i just know that it's something to think about. this dhl/fedex restriction is for individuals. perhaps business shipments fall under different rules.
mircea_popescu: it's a ddos vector dood. i'm not paying to get a rack so that enemy has a method to burn my engineer work hours. wtf.
asciilifeform: pretty stiff membrane, but i thought that was ~entire appeal
phf`: asciilifeform: i can't find any news updates, last i heard from people is that fedhl packages go, but spend weeks to months in customs, for "inspection"
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine the country actually works without some kind of such service though. i mean really, how do yo uget a wrench, walk to factory ?
phf`: i suspect there's postal offices, "yandex package" and also some kind of baygun delivery service that can overnight from a chinese factory
phf`: i'll have to look into it, if they were sitting on my porch, i'd send them by freight. i think dhl/fedex have suspended services to russia, to individuals though, i'm not sure what's the deal with corporate.
phf`: well, in this case this is equivalent of sitting on the outside pipeline. everything else is a hop away, though the guys i was talking to sit on various short fibers from the facility
mircea_popescu: i definitely want the dc to provide the uplink with w/e guarantee they can manage. i get it, outside of nato 99.999% isn't so common, but whatever they got.
phf`: the place to be is of course http://www.mmts9.ru they do have 1/2 rack but i haven't tried them, since wasn't sure about our requirements. they can even get you a personal cage. antenna placement on the rooftop so we can put a microwave relay, the works :p
mircea_popescu: and i'm thinking of eventualk jdws here specifically.
mircea_popescu: anyone inclined to go "oh i'd have done a much better job" after any particular doing is going to find himself buried under a thick wall of "why the fuck didn't you DO IT then!".
phf`: mircea_popescu: right, i figured paying is not going to be a problem, either directly with btc or in the format that you've described. finding a reliable colo, getting a number down. unfortunately i don't have a good feel for russian colo space yet, and people i talked to while happy with their colos didn't necessarily have tmsr demands.
ben_vulpes: more important to me to get the locals into the wot, but i hear you
ben_vulpes: i wrote a "hey tmsr, what would you use a cn embassy for" draft, which you saw, but since then i opened a line of conversation with a meatwot gentleman on the ground in cn who's working with me on finding dcs in chengdu and beijing in which i can lease a rack. "embassy chick" not at the forefront of these discussions because republican state of emergency.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i recall mod6 sending me a proposed draft for something at some point, but also weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: phf` i don't specifically care what they take ; but whatever it is they take, we'll have to figure out a process.
ben_vulpes: i know, i know.
phf`: there's a bitcoin craze in russia right now (i.e. talk shows on t.v. discussing bitcoin as investment platform. dorky former FIDO node administrators talking about bitcoin mining on a rig in their apartments, etc.) so i wouldn't be surprised if i can find a colo that takes bitcoins. i haven't noticed one yet though
phf`: i've no idea about bitcoins or dollars, since i have facilities to pay necessary amounts in roubles.
phf`: mircea_popescu: i'll look into it. it would be helpful to know how many Us we'll be putting upfront, but i'll look at a rack. also i've no idea what kind of traffic requirements something like eulora or phuctor have.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721789 << gears grinding. i don't know anyone in beijing, but i've got a line on some folks in chengdu for translation services and building lists of eg datacenters ☝︎
phf`: not home, and i also didn't have time to process the information in detail yet, but i piped in since there was conversation. depends on what we want, baseline avg 3000 rub/mo $50 to put a 1u rack, with a 100mbit line, 300W. line is typically not metered, but also not guaranteed. then depends on our needs, an unmetered guaranteed 100 mbit line will cost another ~~$100 mo (to 1gbit around ~$500), plus whatever over cap on power usage.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721786 << this, fwiw, isn't even the giveaway it used to be. i personally supervised the release of piles upon piles of posters in us university campuses, for a very modicum costs. people off fiver just print what you give them, and put it up. nothing keeps you from having them print something decent, and with the abundance of "kids who fucked around with adobe illustrator instead of doing t ☝︎
mircea_popescu: on the home front : we clearly need a box for phuctor, i will also want a box for eulora ; there's also need for a third box for general purpose bitcoining/qntra/etc. that's three, plus whatever anyone else wants to add. iirc we also got 3 box servers ready to fly out.
phf: i've catching up with the going ons in d.c. since i came back, so have a bit of low bandwidth at the moment. should free up in a week or so
phf: i have someone who can handle these requests on my behalf though, for legitimacy
phf: i've not had time to get a corporation going this time around (mostly i need to figure out what the tax structure is going to be), but i'll be going back in a couple of months.
phf: i've talked to a handful of 1 hop from mmtsm9 collocation facilities in moscows, and they can do 1u or rack. i also have a trusted non-wot who can oversee or handle the installation. if we're doing a rack, and "worse ways to waste money" me can try and go straight for mmtsm9 (which is rostelekom's main internet relay, i.e. local web providers, like telcos etc put their equipment there)
asciilifeform: ( i.e. mandates full time stable of censors at whatever isp , and whatever slips through, isp still liable )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: phf was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <phf> asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma then switch to asking for rack/yr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really don't see point of buying less than 1 rack.
asciilifeform: seems as if it is deal killer, given that i wrote to dozen and 0 answered.
asciilifeform: in ru of course. but i don't have a phone or post box in ru.
mircea_popescu: trinque i expect parking your own will be available.
asciilifeform: re colocation, i have 1 positive answer from india; 0 from ru ( apparently ru folx are decent XOR likedoingbusinesswithforeign ? )
trinque: ah I'm sorry, "each"
asciilifeform: soooo since mircea_popescu already broke the radio silence, i will put on record :
mircea_popescu: lobbes turns out i named Framedragger twice, but the first instance was supposed to be you lol/
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << My bot's not following spec either. I'll be tinkering with it this weekend anyway so I'll add this to my list of tinkerings ☝︎
asciilifeform: cost, i mean
asciilifeform: i.e. latest v(mod6)? ...or something else
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 13:55 diana_coman: hi mod6, I've set up a public node running vanilla trb, at 103.36.92.112; it's still getting up to date so probably not of much use yet but it's meant to stay as it is anyway (it's at ~260k atm)
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 16:42 asciilifeform: i refreshed archive.is of all the major pages 2-3 day before dulap went
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 11:55 Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
diana_coman: hi mod6, I've set up a public node running vanilla trb, at 103.36.92.112; it's still getting up to date so probably not of much use yet but it's meant to stay as it is anyway (it's at ~260k atm) ☟︎
diana_coman: anyways re state of isp affairs I don't see it getting any better by itself
Framedragger: yeah i think they have a minimum VAT fee + royal mail fee, and then the VAT increases after some threshold of declared value or somesuch. or, increased fees / inflation...
diana_coman: I think the only sort of unclear thing is why the difference (mine was a bit higher) but it's probably correlated to value of package I suppose or something
diana_coman: since I recently got similar notice to pay and I was trying to see if you had some post somewhere to link to
diana_coman: Framedragger, I think there was some ping re the customs duty for fg when you were in the UK too
Framedragger: i assume that asciilifeform's recent ping was in connection to my attempt to update the cached stats - he saw the http request for one of the large pages on dulap when it was still alive
Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :( ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu I can see that: "In them we Trust"
mircea_popescu: btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721603 << i guess it's good the "custodian" paid close attention. ☝︎
asciilifeform: did i dream this?
mircea_popescu: bear in mind tho that i come from the civilised third of romania.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i take it this custom was not alive in classical ro ?
apeloyee: 2*bitness shots suffice (actually less). see above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721527 .i'll write it but not now. ☝︎
asciilifeform: can i persuade you to write this out as algo , apeloyee ?
asciilifeform: apeloyee: maybe i'm thick, but i don't see how to grind 'shift so b has one digit less than a' a fixed number of times for all possible a and b.
asciilifeform: other thing is that i dun see how this is constant time
asciilifeform: so i sorted them, answer is for the sorted pair then, not the actual pair neh
asciilifeform: hm, i must've been thinking of some other gcd algo, because lehmer's is a definite dead end.
asciilifeform: currently i suspect that it is possible to constantize lehmer's logn gcd.
apeloyee: just do some muxes in the end. 2*bitness divisions obv suffice (actually less, but I'm sleepy now)
asciilifeform: i dun have a working gcd yet
apeloyee: I'm simply saying trial division is better than what you have
apeloyee: I don't see any GCD in miller-rabin
asciilifeform: eagle eyes, apeloyee . i dun suppose you have a constant time gcd up your sleeve ?
asciilifeform: dunno if i do, still trying to swallow the proof.
asciilifeform: i can read, and see this. but why is it 1 ?