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mircea_popescu: just, you know, "consumers have come
to expect". and
they will die with
that "expectation".
danielpbarron: in my extensive experience in
that realm, WoT also applies
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: yes so
this is pretty much like drug dealing. or at least from my limited experience of "riding along" with drug dealers
ascii_field: ^ i can see reverse direction (btc
to usd) being problematic. but usd
to btc ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski>
thestringpuller: you can't use bitstamp ? or bitcoin-otc ? or one of
those schmancy atms ? << it's bs, all of it. people can
trade ~infinity btc/usd without any problems PROVIDED
THEYRE IN
THE WOT
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ok, depends on
the quantity and your ability
to discern dood from secret agent man
PeterL: thestringpuller: first line of your article, s/a place where
transactions/a place where
transactions happen
mircea_popescu: how well
this works in practice... well... nothing works well in practice.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and
then <<
the general concept being
that people will find
themselves under so much pressure as
the
thing advances,
that marginals (ie, people who depend on paychecks etc) are prolly in a very weak position
to participate anyway.
NewLiberty: The cop should be in
the cell next
to him
danielpbarron: while
the mugger is at it he should get
the victim
to sign over deed
to house and car
danielpbarron: i don't get who would actually
type in his password at gunpoint -- or, yet another reason
to not do bitcoin from a smart phone
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: either way, it's not illegal
to sell btc, no special id required
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
this guy
totally beat me
to
the punch reviewing kerouac.
pete_dushenski: it's basically
the
transportation
to and from
the shop, requiring "ex-military sekurity"
thestringpuller: i don't see how
this point is irrelevant due
to cannabis being a physical good and bitcoin being a digital good
thestringpuller: yes
the inventory for coin is simpler
to manage but risk of gun in face is still apparent for anything valuable...
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i'm saying
that a physical presence is simpler
to manage for a digital asset
than a physical one
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: is
this for digitized of physical fiat? i'm assuming former
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller:
the cannabis example is irrelevant because of
the precise physicality of
the item
danielpbarron: idk how large of at
trade you're
talking about, but i did several deals worth several
thousand dollars in otc
through escrow agents
thestringpuller: i'm
talking of people on fringes who aren't connected strong enough
to make large
trades at
this point
danielpbarron: people who aren't in
the WoT should be concerned first with .. getting in
the WoT
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: I personally use bitcoin-otc but
that's only because I have
trusted people
to sell me coin. For someone on fringes of
this footprint who needs local fulfillment
this creates
the risk of "trapping".
danielpbarron: i can see how draining
this would be if my free
time was limited
to a couple hours nightly
danielpbarron: well at least i'm in
the fortunate position of getting my fiat stuff done in one heavy
time period, leaving
the rest of
the year open
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: see
the difference in mitigated risk between
the overbearing nature of War on Drugs in state such a Virginia or
Texas, vs say Colorado or Washington in regards
to cannabis shops. Yes
the risk involved in
transit (large sums of money between shop and "bank", and
transit of goods being guarded by ex military sekurity)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: you can't use bitstamp ? or bitcoin-otc ? or one of
those schmancy atms ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and
then when we start hiring, we hire slaves, like anyone hiring << simply wanted
to point out
that all of
the #b-a projects (with possible exception of kakobrekla's work) are powered a hundred percent by
the fiat economy's surplus -
that is, free hours of various folks involved - and
to some extent are at
the mercy of
their day job fortunes (see, e.g.,
the demise of moiety)
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: re: War on Drug << We can't buy Bitcoin without
the help of Coinbase, or submitting
to enemy's wishes, so alternative is
to hit
the streets.
This is similar if not exact mentality of aspiring drug dealer wanting his own corner.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: you could find
the bug in
the netbsd ramdisk build script as well as i could
danielpbarron: is
this something i should be able
to
teach myself in a reasonable amount of
time?
ascii_field: danielpbarron:
the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux)
to make
this a worthwhile exercise
☟︎ ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present
time
there is no support whatoever for
the eeprom in netbsd.
this means
that it can be used, but only if
the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into
the kernel (which in
turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
☟︎ danielpbarron: i'm downloading
this right now -> ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1/source/sets/src.tgz
ascii_field: danielpbarron: see if you are able
to set up
the cross-compile system (netbsd carries its own) on your box
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:22:43; asciilifeform: nubbins`: what state's your beast in now << stuck on crafting
the ramdisk (in-ram root fs) for netbsd. as of a week ago. haven't
the
time, presently,
to do anything
mircea_popescu: i dunno man.
that 11k
the guy reported lost would have paid 1year rent + hardening measures.
pete_dushenski: you could be selling an ipad and have
the same
thing happen
pete_dushenski: meeting people on
the street
to sell
things will always bear
this risk, regs or no regs
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller:
these brokers could have a physical shop
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: "The overbearing regulatory climate in
the US for exchanging fiat for Bitcoin seems
to have similar consequences as its War on Drugs." << curious how you get here logically
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: scoopbot does seem
to be working fine...for nao ;)
thestringpuller: ah yes. danielpbarron it seems
that way for
the all
the links
danielpbarron: " speculation of
the dangers of
trapping " << url broken
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 16:07:02; dignork: danielpbarron: me either, but most players assume
that bots are evil, hence all
this bot-hunting madness
saifedean: if
the
thing could produce more joules
than it consumes, it wouldn't need so much bezzle
to keep it running
saifedean: in fact, if you
think about it, you can't really even calculate a subsidy per joule, since
the moronic process probably consumes more energy
than it produces, so
the more subsidies,
the more joules are wasted!
mircea_popescu: (in
the case of ethanol in
the us, include ALL agricultural subsidies, not just
the direct for ethanol stuff)
mircea_popescu: saifedean a particularly interesting metric, other
than
the 5.5bn eu / 6.5 bn us (which by now is more like 10 anyway), would be subsidy per joule.
mircea_popescu: aha. Preliminaiy version: do not quote without author permission. << ironically, only
typo is in
the warning
saifedean: it's february 2015 because i fixed it up just
this week
nubbins`: i doubt he stopped checking
the forum ;p
mircea_popescu: soo... if i want some laser handcarved items
that were cut out of a log with an axe by adrunk sailor
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> if
there's one lesson bitcoin
teaches people mercilessly... << exactly. "if you don;t know
the owner,
the
thing doesn;t exist". exactly contrary
to how
the us currently works, all impersonal and "it's our policy" and bs.
nubbins`: now it's mostly me just antagonizing
TECSHARE
nubbins`: if
there's one lesson bitcoin
teaches people mercilessly...
danielpbarron: plus, if
that ever
took off i'm sure pokerstars would have killed it
danielpbarron: not
that
they don't have a cash game option, but it would let players rebuy without any accounting, which made linking
to bitcoin impossible
danielpbarron: the reason
the pokerstars homegame
thing didn't work out so well is we could only do
tournaments;
there was no way
to do cash games
mike_c: ok, i'll reserve comment until
then. and you're a
teleologist.
mircea_popescu: well i intend
to, depending how
this dignork
thing works out.
mircea_popescu: the problem with
teleologists is
that
they misstate both
the problem and
the solution.
mike_c: the sites already solve
that. i know my friend's nicks and i can play with
them if i want.
mircea_popescu: i also don't see how email will ever get enough interest if
the only problem it solves ios "we'll save you
the 9.95 a plastic maibox costs"
danielpbarron: weekly can be daily when we don't have
to drive miles
to get
to
the game
mike_c: mircea_popescu: not
teleology, I just don't see how a poker site gets enough
traffic if
the only problem it solves is "we'll host your weekly poker game".
danielpbarron: and
tournaments could have something like assbot
to limit who can join
danielpbarron: my recommendation
to Micon wasn't even
to bar access based on WoT, but
to just give players option
to link
to WoT identity so
that I can make
the determination myself
mike_c: idk, i am unconvinced. of course, we are assuming
the solution here which mp hasn't specified.
danielpbarron: mike_c, you don't play with strangers, unless
they are vouched for by someone you know
mike_c: no,
that's
the problem. more like 1mm.
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> "if
the pre-req for chatting on irc is being in
the WoT,
the chat is gonna suck" <<< *cough*
mike_c: dignork: over
the long long long
term only.
dignork: mike_c: yep, it's close
to impossible
to get a hard proof, but statistical violations are good enough, with a very small false positives.
mike_c: you are more meant
to play with strangers