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asciilifeform: $date would be unused by the parser, while still being correct in all newly-emitted links
asciilifeform: so seems like best formulation so far is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931788 plus the proggy feeds client always 301 to the above with #x appended .
asciilifeform wrote proggy to be reasonably agnostic of frontend
asciilifeform: ( ftr '301' dun strictly require apache kludging, it could be done in my proggy per se )
asciilifeform: i've been puzzling over this item but made 0 useful fwd motion yet.
asciilifeform: ty trinque
asciilifeform: hm?
asciilifeform: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and see what he thinks before changing proggy. and whoknows, maybe we both missed sumthing.
asciilifeform: seems like there is no clean pill, only decision of where we can move the dirt.
asciilifeform: nao cannot paste from url bar , only log line mouse ? ugh
asciilifeform: tho still ugh cuz what if i'm pasting from browser into irc
asciilifeform: so #'s can be sent ~to~ client ? that's possibly working pill
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: it's headache, but as i understand the shitsoup standard offers no clean knob for it
asciilifeform: trinque: above seems to be exactly what i suggested. but as i understand will also need #x or such, to scroll to line
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927171 << see also
asciilifeform: clocks are basically rubbish on pc.
asciilifeform: trinque: this would simply throw the problem into the lap of people trying to make own loggers that sync with mine.
asciilifeform: but at the same time all links are displayed on www from within a calendarized page just as now , with date in the base url ( the date my logger believes they occurred on )
asciilifeform: it means that the lookup must be by idx, not by date
asciilifeform: trinque: visit the linked thread, it is short.
asciilifeform: i mean, in practical terms
asciilifeform: but i'm curious, how does 'uuid' differ from integer ?
asciilifeform: trinque: all historical logs must remain valid
asciilifeform: ( my notion above, /chan/optionaldate/index#x , is cribbed from mircea_popescu's selection colourer )
asciilifeform: trinque: dun seem like any standard-compliant www end ( front or back ) ever sees # or any text after.
asciilifeform: currently closest thing i had to a workable idea is /chan/idx#x ( where #x is simply a fixed string ) and generated page contains #x in the right pos, and coloured line there.
asciilifeform: right nao my proggy is 100% js-free
asciilifeform: trinque: no js ugh
asciilifeform: cuz how to make it scroll to pos ?
asciilifeform: trinque: see linked mircea_popescu thread. it appears to be the case that anchors in fact are not transmitted to the remote end, at all.
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun think i understand the q
asciilifeform: ( the reason for this itch is that i have found it to be impossible to guarantee that all dates agree )
asciilifeform: ( incl. the page scroll to anchor and highlight must remain working just as now )
asciilifeform: i.e. errything oughta work just as presently, BUT with the index being the actual determinator of where link goes.
asciilifeform: trinque: basic desired scheme is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931395
asciilifeform is thinking, prolly he is the last 1 who oughta give folx advice re languages. his methods , likely , are applicable to ~nobody. prolly even mircea_popescu's method ( house pets ) is moar widely usable .
asciilifeform: lobbes: normally folks start with the kana ( or you can't even read a normal dictionary or kindergarten-level book etc )
asciilifeform: for details/nitpicks refer to actual experts.
asciilifeform: ('on' -- 'chinese-like' / vs. 'kun' -- 'native'. famously illustrated by 'seppuku/harakiri', 'on'/'kun' respective pair of same kanji string. )
asciilifeform: hieroglyphs -- to the annoyance of white devils -- ea. have at least 2 pronunciations, dep. on context
asciilifeform: there's the hieroglyphs ('kanji') which cover normal adult lit , or rather 95%; connective tissue , proper names, older loan words -- in 'hiragana' ( syllabic ); 'katakana' ( a sort of minimalist hiragana, moar 'runic' aesthetic ) largely for foreign words, names of dirty euro devils, some children's lit.
asciilifeform: this is not accurate summary of why diff scripts, lobbes
asciilifeform: perhaps one day jp will rip out of the yoke...
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you abstract past the hieroglyphs-- is easier to eat than any euro lang. no declensions, no conjugation , very little of what euro folx normally think of as grammar gnarl.
asciilifeform: interestingly, the americans, who colonized and subjugated jp, to this day produced ~0 usable lit re the lang. ~all of asciilifeform's working materials -- from su.
asciilifeform: could ~maybe~ pass 1st grade.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i've been doing jp for coupla yr nao. recreationally, only.
asciilifeform: lobbes: see this old thrd . handy.
asciilifeform: ( not counting mircea_popescu's 'inpatients' , that is )
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik, that'll make 2, of us
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 >> 'Ajunsi in acest punct, hai sa facem o noua regula : cine n-are o suta de dolari de aruncat pe luna, .... n-a atins inca maturitatea sociala care sa-i ingaduie sa umble dupa fete' << rly, 100 ? or is this from epoch when 100 bought a flat in orcistan ?
asciilifeform: mostly these folx had 'medical' epaulettes.
asciilifeform: never found out what is the max rank for orc in usa army. perhaps there's an orc general even somewhere.
asciilifeform: i specifically recall a ru d00d. rank of no less than major. a: 'what the hell are you doing here' he : 'what ~you~ doing here'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one time there was (is?) such a thing as 'theoretical' soldiers, in usa army. you walk in with a diploma, they sew you a uniform, you go an' 'soldier' in e.g. lab salt mine. at one time asciilifeform worked in a place fulla these. but even they looked moar like someone you could put in a field, than this.
asciilifeform: 'here is light infantry, they get 1l of cocacola / d.' 'here -- heavy infantry, they get 3L.'
asciilifeform: *brigade
asciilifeform: ( if these were in sovok, could be tank brigate, iirc you had to be under 160cm )
asciilifeform: holyfuq BingoBoingo , what is that ? midget corps ?
asciilifeform wondered -- on acct of what reich use case, did they actually bother to optimize for ram-filling photo. perhaps spy sats ?
asciilifeform: it was a very unusual -- and hence memorable -- case, where microshit actually worked where human tool did not.
asciilifeform: and i suspect that most folx could live 100 yrs and not ever run into a case of editing a 2GB bitmap.
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if not
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform was 1 time 'lucky' enuff to find an edge case where gimp barfed and had to resort to a heathen photo editor on toilet box . ( stitching segments of photos that weighed GB+ , in the lispm reversing series. on very similar irons, the heathen proggy ran, gimp -- ground to halt. i suspect gimp has some o(n^2)-isms in it. )
asciilifeform liked 'gimp' , aside from the asinine window system. even got it to work with electric pen thing at one pt
asciilifeform: ( mine -- 2011 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i still use mine
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: which reminds me : i'll be buying 4 of these.
asciilifeform: the 1 exception being 'apu1' , but is sewn from 2013 'g-series' that amd is constantly threatening to 'end of life'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the last x86 irons that actually work with 'coreboot', recall, were sold in '13.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha. but coup of already corpse project. sorta like 'robbing' 1 of those boarded up banks that closed in 2000s, that litter the landscape in east ameristan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's old europistan this time of yr ?
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you recall the 'coreboot'->'libreboot' tardism -- was similar, maggot eruption after many many yrs of decay in the grave.
asciilifeform: (gtk3 is fatwa'd, as it sucks in 'dbus' and thereby systemdism. see also. )
asciilifeform: last usable ver afaik circa-2011ish.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: per my lights, 'gimp' died years ago, when went to 'mandatory' gtk3 .
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, folx queued for piz even.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931622 << starvation wage in combination with utterly, screamingly pointless work, will do that
asciilifeform: for futile rage of farm animal, convenient victim doll will be given. in 1940 same raging plebes wanted 'gas rothchild'. instead gassed shoemakers who used to fix their shoes, tailor who usedto fix their coat. rothchild unscathed, richer than ever.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931623 << the rage aint even misplaced -- 0 of the folx alive presently, king or slave, had ~anyffin to do with 'create industry'. futile rage, is all.
asciilifeform: lobbes: even ill-fitting suit that'd look at home on a defrocked ex-maffs prof turned hobo, worx a++ wonders in airport.
asciilifeform: the old reds had a point when wrote 'you cannot disassemble the master's house with the master's tools' or what was it.
asciilifeform: so idjits go, 'tax the rich!111', buffett : 'yes, yes, tax the rich', while he cackles 'all the way to bank'
asciilifeform: unlike expert entomologists like mircea_popescu , trinque , et al, i dun have much contact with the 'illiterate 20yos' set, but enuff to know that they somehow think 'rich' is what their employed older brothers , parents, are, they have no concept of the real thing even in head
asciilifeform: i.e. where 'class war!111' fuckwits in usa cheered at 'raise tax rate' until then find ~themselves~ expected to pay same % as buffett would pay if he were to ever pay at all
asciilifeform: or see also mircea_popescu's 'buffett's tax' piece .
asciilifeform: see also e.g.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
asciilifeform: lobbes: different rapes for different folx, i suspect. asciilifeform for instance 'feels raped' much moar greatly by the tax collector, than by the ceremonial funnel where one is to put shoes at bushized airport.
asciilifeform: they live in entirely parallel universe, the 1 described in mircea_popescu's 'the tide dollar' piece.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dunno how many of these folx at any given time even know who is on the iron throne.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had even moar picturesque story, where not only not insulted but had excellent rapport w/ entire bus fulla these , and they all asked for him to become their che guevara
asciilifeform: the poor zeks gave much moar impression of being ~tired~ of life, rather than belligerent .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931572 << i suspect exaggerated. even when i went to heart of lafondistan, 'darkest africa', when attempted to buy dilapidated building -- went into where the orcs were, their 'food depot' even, and no one put knife in, no one even spat in asciilifeform's face or even could be aroused to utter insult
asciilifeform: ( why? from combination of 'to where to go?' and 'when?' )
asciilifeform previously to mircea_popescu's party in timis, asciilifeform spent 20y not even having occasion to go in airplane anywhere.
asciilifeform: still line to come ~out~ tho.